RWBY & RT General Discussion Thread (V1)
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Matrix Dragon
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And while RWBY has been going to broad, large-scale trauma, Space Whiterose has gone for a more... intimate form of mentally scarring the poor girls.
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Why?
I can't and I refuse too, if people are to dumb to recall the IRA's decline from an organization that knew how to target people and places effectively to fight against oppression to a mass of bloody infighting and reckless murder then that's on them.
Like fuck the British just to be clear, they are infinitely worse, but the IRA near the end of its life was a god damn garbage fire.
Like fuck the British just to be clear, they are infinitely worse, but the IRA near the end of its life was a god damn garbage fire.
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I mean, yeah, the White Fang shouldn't have been antagonists. Though their extreme methods were questionable, their goals and path were unconnected to Team RWBY and their eventual battle against Salem.
The only reason the White Fang got swept up into the plot was that some jerkass was all too happy to throw their lives away for the sake of his murder fantasies that he ended up playing the pawn to Salem's pawn.
The only reason the White Fang got swept up into the plot was that some jerkass was all too happy to throw their lives away for the sake of his murder fantasies that he ended up playing the pawn to Salem's pawn.
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There's a touch of the plot getting away from the writers too, I feel, but it does work in-universe for me because Cinder was already established as threatening cowards into obeying her (Roman in V2), so her scaring Adam into being her minion is more than plausible. The larger stretch is people being willing to follow Adam after the end of V3, but again, we had the Albian brothers using him for his own ends, so it wouldn't really shock me if more than a few of Siennas subverted guards were actually loyal to them.
And in the end, people like Adam are drawn to every good cause and try to subvert it for their own ends.
And in the end, people like Adam are drawn to every good cause and try to subvert it for their own ends.
Honestly in my eyes the issues with the White Fang/Faunus/Blake storyline are pretty easily addressed, cos its not an issue of realism, revolutions often end with the worst person in charge and rebel movements are often coopted by malicious foreign interests. The issue is more about narrative and subtle world building details, but that also makes it easy to address, though be it this is with the benefit of hindsight but:
Volume 1
1: During the news broadcast swap out the picture used with one of the Police harming Faunus protestors to show that while the coverage is bias in favor of the humans/against the White Fang reality is different.
2: I'd make Cardin's bullying of Jaune less extreme to contrast it with his bullying of Velvet, so slightly less emphasis on Jaune and more on the people around him's relative reactions.
3: Have Blake give a firm no to Weiss on the White Fang wanting to destroy humanity, forcing her to backpaddle to "They want to destroy my family."
4: When Blake is explaining the White Fang to Sun have her reference them protecting Faunus property & businesses from attack & breaking up trafficking rings to show why they are beloved and seen as a positive force by Faunus and how their recent change is out of character.
5: During Blake's confrontation with Roman have one of the White Fang soldiers say something like, "Just walk away, Sister Belladonna, you want not part in this." to show they aren't all onboard.
6: Make it clear that Weiss's shift with Blake is more tied to her realizing she was using the Faunus as a scapegoat in regards to her father.
Volume 2
7: Make the speech with Roman and the Lieutenant more mutual and shared between them.
8: Have some of the Faunus in the audience show visible injuries, & have it coincide with the speaker shouting out about the police to show who injured them.
9: Emphasize on the train how confusing the plan is, how it makes no sense that they would be doing this while having Oobleck look a little shifty about it.
Volume 3:
10: Give Sienna a static picture cameo with her watching the attack on Beacon and snapping "What is that fool doing!?" when Adam is on screen to show the high command were not in on this.
Volume 4:
11: This is where notable changes need to be made, but mostly just cut one Sun scene for a Sienna scene where she meets with the Belladonna & Blake, apologize obliquely for Adam's treatment of Blake and says she will end him once she has found his 'backers'.
12: When discussing their relationship with Kuo Kuana, emphasize that the White Fang protects lots of Faunus settlements that are neglected or abused by human Huntsmen and forces, hence people being so Leary of being against them.
Volume 5:
13: Have it be referenced Sienna has dispersed most of their forces to protect various settlements and Faunus abroad who are being impacted as a consequence of Adam's actions.
14: Major change here, but have Sienna survive through one means or another and when Adam calls for back up from his forces for him to hear her over the radio basically saying "No" causing him to freak out. Maybe have Leo have referenced some elder Grimm gathering in the area too and reference Sienna and her WF killing them so they can't reinforce Cinder and co.
Volume 6:
15: Wrap it up by establishing Sienna & Ghira are tag teaming the council, with Ghira offering military aid to protect Mistral territories but Sienna demanding the council begin changing laws and enforcement protocols.
Conclusion:
And boom, with only relatively minor changes the White Fang's popularity is more justified, they are given more depth while not removing the realistic corruptive and self serving elements, while emphasizing the harm they do and let them reach a reasonable resolution that can be expanded upon later without needing to observe it.
Volume 1
1: During the news broadcast swap out the picture used with one of the Police harming Faunus protestors to show that while the coverage is bias in favor of the humans/against the White Fang reality is different.
2: I'd make Cardin's bullying of Jaune less extreme to contrast it with his bullying of Velvet, so slightly less emphasis on Jaune and more on the people around him's relative reactions.
3: Have Blake give a firm no to Weiss on the White Fang wanting to destroy humanity, forcing her to backpaddle to "They want to destroy my family."
4: When Blake is explaining the White Fang to Sun have her reference them protecting Faunus property & businesses from attack & breaking up trafficking rings to show why they are beloved and seen as a positive force by Faunus and how their recent change is out of character.
5: During Blake's confrontation with Roman have one of the White Fang soldiers say something like, "Just walk away, Sister Belladonna, you want not part in this." to show they aren't all onboard.
6: Make it clear that Weiss's shift with Blake is more tied to her realizing she was using the Faunus as a scapegoat in regards to her father.
Volume 2
7: Make the speech with Roman and the Lieutenant more mutual and shared between them.
8: Have some of the Faunus in the audience show visible injuries, & have it coincide with the speaker shouting out about the police to show who injured them.
9: Emphasize on the train how confusing the plan is, how it makes no sense that they would be doing this while having Oobleck look a little shifty about it.
Volume 3:
10: Give Sienna a static picture cameo with her watching the attack on Beacon and snapping "What is that fool doing!?" when Adam is on screen to show the high command were not in on this.
Volume 4:
11: This is where notable changes need to be made, but mostly just cut one Sun scene for a Sienna scene where she meets with the Belladonna & Blake, apologize obliquely for Adam's treatment of Blake and says she will end him once she has found his 'backers'.
12: When discussing their relationship with Kuo Kuana, emphasize that the White Fang protects lots of Faunus settlements that are neglected or abused by human Huntsmen and forces, hence people being so Leary of being against them.
Volume 5:
13: Have it be referenced Sienna has dispersed most of their forces to protect various settlements and Faunus abroad who are being impacted as a consequence of Adam's actions.
14: Major change here, but have Sienna survive through one means or another and when Adam calls for back up from his forces for him to hear her over the radio basically saying "No" causing him to freak out. Maybe have Leo have referenced some elder Grimm gathering in the area too and reference Sienna and her WF killing them so they can't reinforce Cinder and co.
Volume 6:
15: Wrap it up by establishing Sienna & Ghira are tag teaming the council, with Ghira offering military aid to protect Mistral territories but Sienna demanding the council begin changing laws and enforcement protocols.
Conclusion:
And boom, with only relatively minor changes the White Fang's popularity is more justified, they are given more depth while not removing the realistic corruptive and self serving elements, while emphasizing the harm they do and let them reach a reasonable resolution that can be expanded upon later without needing to observe it.
I love it, and on topic:
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I cracked up laughing at 'and that's why Ironwood didn't bother shooting Cinder or Salem, because unlike the heroes, he knew violence wasn't the answer'
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Gotta defend Ironwood somehow, right?
Like, seriously how does one miss the point that badly?
Also like, RWBY & Co don't generally resort to punching stuff till it dies, they do that when they're backed into a corner and the other options are gone, punch thing till it dies is Ironwood's modus operandi and its why he broke so hard when he found out Salem couldn't die.
Also like, RWBY & Co don't generally resort to punching stuff till it dies, they do that when they're backed into a corner and the other options are gone, punch thing till it dies is Ironwood's modus operandi and its why he broke so hard when he found out Salem couldn't die.
like, I could barely get past the Cordovin section.
I mean come on, Ruby and friends were only fighting the mech because they were defending themselves from it, and Ruby personally gave Cordovin a chance to back the hell off.
I mean, Ruby has only acted with violence when it is either Grimm, or to defend herself or others from an active hostile.
Like, she tried to talk to Tyrian at first to at least know who he was and what he wanted, and when encountering Raven at Haven we see Ruby try to talk Raven down.
If our protagonists were as Clyde and Anon are claiming, then Ruby would of tried to take Cordo out and not just her mech. She would of tried to shoot Raven. Heck Ruby would not of bothered trying to talk to Emerald during their scuffle at Haven. She would not of bothered to try and send out the panic call in Ironwood's office and would instead of played "DRAW!" with The General.
Seriously if anyone or any group were the ones trying to use "Strength" to win all situations, it would be Atlas characters. Like Winter trying to fight Qrow. Ironwood thinking his fleet would deter the Queen of Grimm. Ironwood trying to force his way during V8 in anyway he could. "He knew violence wasn't the answer" yet the man was going to blow up Mantle to try and force the heroes to comply to him. The man who shot 2 people, killing one of them, and was going to shoot another in the back.
I mean come on, Ruby and friends were only fighting the mech because they were defending themselves from it, and Ruby personally gave Cordovin a chance to back the hell off.
I mean, Ruby has only acted with violence when it is either Grimm, or to defend herself or others from an active hostile.
Like, she tried to talk to Tyrian at first to at least know who he was and what he wanted, and when encountering Raven at Haven we see Ruby try to talk Raven down.
If our protagonists were as Clyde and Anon are claiming, then Ruby would of tried to take Cordo out and not just her mech. She would of tried to shoot Raven. Heck Ruby would not of bothered trying to talk to Emerald during their scuffle at Haven. She would not of bothered to try and send out the panic call in Ironwood's office and would instead of played "DRAW!" with The General.
Seriously if anyone or any group were the ones trying to use "Strength" to win all situations, it would be Atlas characters. Like Winter trying to fight Qrow. Ironwood thinking his fleet would deter the Queen of Grimm. Ironwood trying to force his way during V8 in anyway he could. "He knew violence wasn't the answer" yet the man was going to blow up Mantle to try and force the heroes to comply to him. The man who shot 2 people, killing one of them, and was going to shoot another in the back.
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ItsClydeBitches has the stupidest takes on everything and anything to do with RWBY, it's genuinely amazing.
This is them saying that "the power of friendship/love" isn't a theme in RWBY because it isn't the magical-girl style thing of "friendship lets me shoot lasers", while completely ignoring how Team RWBY succeeds because of supporting each other and helping each other when they need it.
But that's because their precious authoritarian dudebro didn't succeed by pushing away everyone else and thinking he was strong enough to do everything alone. Fucking Ironwood stans.
Much like Critter's whole "how dare Ruby cut off Tyrian's tail!" bullshit, this all revolves around the fact that these people hate women being the protagonists. They believe that it's wrong for women to engage in violence and battle, yet glorify the men who do so.
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