RWBY & RT General Discussion Thread (V1)

Lilith Fairen

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Can you at least try to get what you comment on right? I said part of the fandom, your part of the fandom. Because what other conclussion should i draw when Canonseeker comes in and seems to spread my tweets while defending genuine real-life alt-righters and nazis and then people like you spread that around.

Im sorry that you decided that opposing alt-righters and Nazis makes one a bad person? Something that Canonseeker tried to claim and people like you spread around? I have the radical opinion that Nazis and alt-righters should be opposed, but maybe thats just me.
Your reading comprehension is on the same level as your comprehension of storytelling, given your 19,546 threads on how Team RWBY (and black men) are the most horrible monstrous villains in the franchise.

No one was defending Nazis. Canonseeker merely criticized you for telling folks to stick forks into electrical outlets and saying that alt-righters/Nazis need to "take pills". Fuck Nazis and the alt-right, but I'm not going to say that folks can't find saying such things even to such people to be distasteful.

Also, again: you chose to make LGBTQ+ matters a banned topic in your hatejerk Discord instead of banning the queerphobic assholes who frothed at the mouth whenever the subject arose. Because you know damn well what kind of folks the people in your communities are. The fact that they hate RWBY is more important to you than what kind of garbage people they are.
 

Zam

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Who has built a subreddit like that? And whose career it is? Do you think its difficult to be a Reddit mod? And once again, i do appreciate the gaslighting, "The healthy thing when someone is about to spread lies about you to a community that will believe any lie you feed them, is to ignore it". because i am sure that if i ignored your lies you would have just calmed down and never spread them around /s.

And yes, it would still be a lie in that case despite your own personal belief over it.

Also, what do RWBY tubers have to do with this? You do realize that i gave them shit for the whole "Im quitting RWBY" and then coming back? Why do people like you always make assumptions that are false with such certainty? Wake up! Critics are not a monolith!
That is literally the critics subreddit, nothing f positive note is said there unless its layered in complaints like "Ironwood 'was' such a good character, a shame they ruined him." - "I used to like Yang, she was great, but then she became a bitch!" ETC. The careers I was talking about were Youtubers. That's... That isn't what Gaslighting means? Also you're accusing me of lying over something we both agreed was a mistake so either you're lying or you don't know what that word means.

No, you can think the RWDE subreddit is a bastion of critical thought and I can think its a bastion of disingenuous pissing and moaning, neither of us is lying by having an opinion.

The fact you don't see there's a gigantic crossover between the RWDE youtber critic base and the RWDE Subreddit is honestly a little perplexing to me given you are lterally on speaking terms with some of these people and endorse their work. I'd be less inclined to view them as a monolith if they didn't act like one, take Unicorn and how much they changed after becoming a RWDE person.

Prior to losing their shit over Clover dying, Unicorn loved the tragedy of Ironwood and loathed Jac as a person but loved his toxicity as a character and villain.

But now that their anger and or desire for money lined up with RWDE, there was a switch. Suddenly the autocratic general needed to be right regardless of the poor people he harmed, suddenly Jac needed to be revitalized and redeemed, suddenly the men needed to be all important at the women's expense and RWDE at that shit up.
 

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Your reading comprehension is on the same level as your comprehension of storytelling, given your 19,546 threads on how Team RWBY (and black men) are the most horrible monstrous villains in the franchise.

No one was defending Nazis. Canonseeker merely criticized you for telling folks to stick forks into electrical outlets and saying that alt-righters/Nazis need to "take pills". Fuck Nazis and the alt-right, but I'm not going to say that folks can't find saying such things even to such people to be distasteful.

Also, again: you chose to make LGBTQ+ matters a banned topic in your hatejerk Discord instead of banning the queerphobic assholes who frothed at the mouth whenever the subject arose. Because you know damn well what kind of folks the people in your communities are. The fact that they hate RWBY is more important to you than what kind of garbage people they are.
Yes yes, i know you have a problem with me calling out how RT wrote a character themselves. Because you operate under the alt-right logic that if someone calls out bigotry, they are a bigot for noticing it.

Yes, i did tell a person to stick a fork into an outlet, that person was a nazi. If you want me to feel sorry for genuine Nazis you are barking up the wrong tree. I dont have time for your liberal nonsense of "we have to be nice to Nazis" or whatever the hell you are doing here.

That is literally the critics subreddit, nothing f positive note is said there unless its layered in complaints like "Ironwood 'was' such a good character, a shame they ruined him." - "I used to like Yang, she was great, but then she became a bitch!" ETC. The careers I was talking about were Youtubers. That's... That isn't what Gaslighting means? Also you're accusing me of lying over something we both agreed was a mistake so either you're lying or you don't know what that word means.

No, you can think the RWDE subreddit is a bastion of critical thought and I can think its a bastion of disingenuous pissing and moaning, neither of us is lying by having an opinion.

The fact you don't see there's a gigantic crossover between the RWDE youtber critic base and the RWDE Subreddit is honestly a little perplexing to me given you are lterally on speaking terms with some of these people and endorse their work. I'd be less inclined to view them as a monolith if they didn't act like one, take Unicorn and how much they changed after becoming a RWDE person.

Prior to losing their shit over Clover dying, Unicorn loved the tragedy of Ironwood and loathed Jac as a person but loved his toxicity as a character and villain.

But now that their anger and or desire for money lined up with RWDE, there was a switch. Suddenly the autocratic general needed to be right regardless of the poor people he harmed, suddenly Jac needed to be revitalized and redeemed, suddenly the men needed to be all important at the women's expense and RWDE at that shit up.
Many positive things are said, one just has to look. Regardless, you can simply not engage woth the subreddit and ignore it. Many opinions there are valid. I do not think that the critic sub is bastion of critical thought, there is a reason that i had to clamp down of shitty trends for memes and the like. Its just a subreddit. Nothing more.

And yes, we have agreed that your acxusations were a mistake.

As far as Youtubers go, the only people i have any direct contact with are SYTO, Cal and Floof. And that contact is rare.

As far as youtubers go, i have gotten into fights with CJBlack, Critter and her sister are on non-talking terms with me, many critics hate that drama dude (forgot his name, the vic stan one), and other Youtubers are just known. And the views on those youtubers are different from person by person.

You can hate UoW all you want, it has nothing to do with me or the sub. Hell, these youtubers are barely even discussed or mentioned.

I seriously have to ask, what is with this weird conspiracy thinking about me? If one was to believe what you write about me, i somehow control the mods of r/rwby and Youtubers. Like seriously, i have no such powers.

R/rwby mods have removed my posts in the past, at most i communicate with them sometimes. With Youtubers i barely interact besides sharing their works, rewrites, fanfics, art, etc.

There is nothing going on there. And yet i see the weirdest claims be made about that.
 
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Lilith Fairen

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Because you operate under the alt-right logic that if someone calls out bigotry, they are a bigot for noticing it.
No dude, I call you a bigot because you got a storyline completely ass-backwards and actually insisted the writers of the story wrote their own character wrong all because a black man wasn't the evil heartless monster you adamantly believe him to be. And rather than admit that you based your shitty take off of only watching the cutscenes and nothing else in the game and thus are completely ignorant of what the story builds up to, you doubled down on your ridiculous racism by insisting Hanlon Fifestone is meant to look like a "criminal"...in a game where the actual criminal antagonists are well-dressed white men.

The beauty is that it's the exact opposite of how you and your fellow "critics" look at Adam Taurus, where the story built up that he was a shitty person all along but you couldn't accept that the white guy wasn't the real hero of the storyline.
 

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No dude, I call you a bigot because you got a storyline completely ass-backwards and actually insisted the writers of the story wrote their own character wrong all because a black man wasn't the evil heartless monster you adamantly believe him to be. And rather than admit that you based your shitty take off of only watching the cutscenes and nothing else in the game and thus are completely ignorant of what the story builds up to, you doubled down on your ridiculous racism by insisting Hanlon Fifestone is meant to look like a "criminal"...in a game where the actual criminal antagonists are well-dressed white men.

The beauty is that it's the exact opposite of how you and your fellow "critics" look at Adam Taurus, where the story built up that he was a shitty person all along but you couldn't accept that the white guy wasn't the real hero of the storyline.
I never insisted that the writers wrote their own character wrong. I just think that they were incredibly bigoted in writing him. Your argument that he was forced to do what he did is invalidated with how he was portrayed by the writers. He was never shown to be unwilling. In fact he was shown to be ENJOYING his actions. That was the writers choice.

(As a note, you do realize that if a character is unwilling, that it should be shown? Like for example after Hanlon extract fear from the worker he then apologizes to them, or maybe when he is captured instead of attracting more Grimm he helps team RWBY with info? But he does not do that. Because the writers decided to double down on him being evil)

I have watched an entire playthrough of the game. I have seen what the story builds up to and its pay offs.

And even now you are still blaming me for saying how Hanlon was dressed, by the writers. I was not the one who gave Hanlon his clothes, it was the writers. And i have shown side by side pictures of his clothing next to a stereotypical pirate and next to a bandit from RWBY. I think its funny how hard you tried to claim that Hanlon looks like a working man, god, you are so sheltered its ridiculous.

Unlike you people many of the critics have actually worked hard labours in factories and construction. The temerity to claim that Hanlon is dressed like a worker is just so funny.

Again, its funny how you are calling me racist for calling out the decisions made by the writers.

It is the writers who made Hanlon growl when speaking and during combat, it is the writers who made Hanlon SMILE while and AFTER extracting fear from a faunus woman worker. It is the writers who made him activate 3 grimm attracting orbs AFTER his capture. It is the writers who gave him clothes that they did. (By the way, those same writers made team RWBY not arrest Amoncio Glass after beating him, they literally let him go).

Lilith. You are doing the alt-right thing. You are accusing me of racism, for pointing out what the writers themselves wrote. And to do so you have to do such ridiculous arguments that anyone who has had work experiences, ACTUAL WORK experiences would laugh you out of the room.

Unlike you i did not grow up privileged, neither did my family. Much of my family had to go work in Sweden as construction workers, i had to break my back in a factory to earn enough money for University.

Please, do not speak to me about workers when you are so unfathomably privileged and divorced from the realities of the working class. And please do not pretend to be progressive when your main defence of what the writers did in Arrowfell is literally an alt-right tactic.
 

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This just might be the most pathetic thing you've ever said here, and for someone who came here through stalking people for enjoying a cartoon and harassing them between sites, that's a tall order.
Ah, its always nice when you try to pull the entire alt-right stuff of "You are racist for pointing out why x writing is racist" and then when i respond you just..... Ignore everything.... Seemingly to then later continue the same spiel.

Lilith, you know what is truly pathetic? To be so privileged that you dont even know what a working man looks like. To lack life experience to such extent, that is what truly is pathetic.

Also, i just looooove how we are back to the entire "You came here because people enjoyed a cartoon" when as i have repeated multiple times now, i came because Zam thought that i was sending self-help messages to him, and then YOU decided to want to join in to fabricate actual lies upon that. Do we need to rehash that entire situation for the third time or is your memory ailing? Or is this all a piss poor attempt at changing the topic?
 

Zam

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This feels very relevant to me:
Many positive things are said, one just has to look. Regardless, you can simply not engage woth the subreddit and ignore it. Many opinions there are valid. I do not think that the critic sub is bastion of critical thought, there is a reason that i had to clamp down of shitty trends for memes and the like. Its just a subreddit. Nothing more.

And yes, we have agreed that your acxusations were a mistake.

As far as Youtubers go, the only people i have any direct contact with are SYTO, Cal and Floof. And that contact is rare.

As far as youtubers go, i have gotten into fights with CJBlack, Critter and her sister are on non-talking terms with me, many critics hate that drama dude (forgot his name, the vic stan one), and other Youtubers are just known. And the views on those youtubers are different from person by person.

You can hate UoW all you want, it has nothing to do with me or the sub. Hell, these youtubers are barely even discussed or mentioned.

I seriously have to ask, what is with this weird conspiracy thinking about me? If one was to believe what you write about me, i somehow control the mods of r/rwby and Youtubers. Like seriously, i have no such powers.

R/rwby mods have removed my posts in the past, at most i communicate with them sometimes. With Youtubers i barely interact besides sharing their works, rewrites, fanfics, art, etc.

There is nothing going on there. And yet i see the weirdest claims be made about that.
I have looked, I have seen nothing that wasn't at best, backhanded as hell. You're entitled to think the subreddit is whatever you think it is, as am I.


So then why did you say I was lying about it?

I have no idea how rare or not your contact is, and it doesn't really change my point so?

Great job navigating around my actual point, this feels very "No true Scotsman" to be honest with you.

What conspiracy?

What are you talking about?
 

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Are we actually getting lectured on how working-class people dress based on a story where the main character is a Little Red Riding Hood cosplayer?
You literally said that Hanlon Fifestone looks like a real life working class person of colour. Those were your words. That is one of the reasons you called me a racist, because when i said that the writers chose to give Hanlon the outfit of pirate/bandit your main argument was that im racist, and that he actually looks like a real-life working man of colour.

YOU chose to make that statement. Not me. But it seems that you cant even remember your own statements when you want to be dishonest.

Should i snap a pic to refresh your memory? Or are you just going to play dumb again?

- Here it is. God, i just love how openly dishonest you are and everyone here just considers it to be a good thing. Its the same thing over and over again. You do something shitty or make a shitty argument, pretend you have never done it, these guys defend you, then proof of your actions is posted and they just ignore it.

Now lets wait for another topic change or you not even acknowledging your own words.
 
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Lilith Fairen

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You literally said that Hanlon Fifestone looks like a real life working class person of colour. Those were your words.
Oh goody, this reminds me of the time where Dextixer got offended on me acknowledging his adamant refusal to not see a black man to be the most horrible character in the game and ranted about me on his Tumblr blog, then got pissed off when I pointed out that he'd repeatedly referred to Arrowfell as "the show" while claiming he hadn't done so. Except even though he'd edited his post, the reblogs of his post before his edit still had the post's original wording, so it was incredibly easy to prove that he was a shameless liar.

Anyway, Dextixer claiming I'd described Hanlon's dress as "real life" is obviously him lying his ass off, to no one's surprise. I'm not surprised that he thinks he can tell other people what they've said and seen and thinks they'll simply accept his version of things.

Edit: HE ACTUALLY WENT OUT OF HIS WAY TO PROVE THAT WHAT HE CLAIMED I "LITERALLY SAID" WAS IN FACT HIM BEING COMPLETELY FULL OF SHIT BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

Anyway, good night to everyone, except to Dextixer, who'll probably spent hours thrashing in bed to nightmares of Robyn Hill giving a crap about poor people.
 

Zam

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- Here it is. God, i just love how openly dishonest you are and everyone here just considers it to be a good thing. Its the same thing over and over again. You do something shitty or make a shitty argument, pretend you have never done it, these guys defend you, then proof of your actions is posted and they just ignore it.
What did I do? You and I are having an entirely separate discussion and no one else has said anything.
 

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Oh goody, this reminds me of the time where Dextixer got offended on me acknowledging his adamant refusal to not see a black man to be the most horrible character in the game and ranted about me on his Tumblr blog, then got pissed off when I pointed out that he'd repeatedly referred to Arrowfell as "the show" while claiming he hadn't done so. Except even though he'd edited his post, the reblogs of his post before his edit still had the post's original wording, so it was incredibly easy to prove that he was a shameless liar.

Anyway, Dextixer claiming I'd described Hanlon's dress as "real life" is obviously him lying his ass off, to no one's surprise. I'm not surprised that he thinks he can tell other people what they've said and seen and thinks they'll simply accept his version of things.

Edit: HE ACTUALLY WENT OUT OF HIS WAY TO PROVE THAT WHAT HE CLAIMED I "LITERALLY SAID" WAS IN FACT HIM BEING COMPLETELY FULL OF SHIT BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

Anyway, good night to everyone, except to Dextixer, who'll probably spent hours thrashing in bed to nightmares of Robyn Hill giving a crap about poor people.
Ah, so your response is to just continue to lie. Gotcha. Well, have a good night everyone. This is indeed amusing, to see all of you being so dishonest. Its quite refreshing.

So please, by all means my fellow forum users. Continue engaging in alt-right tactics and defending racist writing from your position of privilege. Dont let me interrupt you.

Zam, i can see the likes in agreement, its very clear that you and the band support whatever Lilith is trying to cook here, people dont have to say anything to very much show their support through likes (Which is basically cheering from afar). And hey, its your choice.

God, i love you privileged American liberals. None of you care about any of the causes you claim to care about while you throat the boot of a corporation that abuses minorities. Its just so amusing. The mental gymnastics, you using progressiveness as a cudgel in defense of corporations, the sheer amount of privilege. You are very refreshing.

See you next time you try to fabricate some lie about me, or when Lilith inevitably makes another post on Tumblr about me that you will all reblog because, gasp, i have the ability to make posts on reddit, and we dont like that, now do we?
 

Zam

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So please, by all means my fellow forum users. Continue engaging in alt-right tactics and defending racist writing from your position of privilege. Dont let me interrupt you.

Zam, i can see the likes in agreement, its very clear that you and the band support whatever Lilith is trying to cook here, people dont have to say anything to very much show their support through likes (Which is basically cheering from afar). And hey, its your choice.

God, i love you privileged American liberals. None of you care about any of the causes you claim to care about while you throat the boot of a corporation that abuses minorities. Its just so amusing. The mental gymnastics, you using progressiveness as a cudgel in defense of corporations, the sheer amount of privilege. You are very refreshing.

See you next time you try to fabricate some lie about me, or when Lilith inevitably makes another post on Tumblr about me that you will all reblog because, gasp, i have the ability to make posts on reddit, and we dont like that, now do we?
OK I gotta ask, why is it when I point out I find people who stan autocratic dictators, corporate abusers and child grooming abusers to be rather Alt Right in nature, especially when they seem to hate women, I'm being everything from a liar to a bigot to whatever else you've called me. But you get to call us Alt Right for... Not agreeing with you?

I have liked exactly one of Lilith's posts on this page and it was the one where she pointed out you calling us Nazi's was really gross and unreasonable, especially seeing as I and others didn't even touch on the topic being discussed, IE whether its right to suicide bait a Nazi.

Do. Not. Call. Me. American. Also given you stan someone who doesn't pay their artists while profiting off their labor, glass house much? Not that anything else you said was accurate, I volunteer my time in real life, raise awareness online and oh right, almost bankrupted myself after Trump got elected donating to anti fascist, LGBTQ+, racial and women's rights groups. Literally, I went to try and pay for something and I couldn't afford it cos my savings had gone down from thousands of dollars to less than five hundred. Don't talk like you know me cos I enjoy a show you spend your time hating rather than moving on from.

As noted, you acknowledge it was a mistake, stop calling it a lie or I am going to assume you are either trying to misrepresent the situation or don't know what words mean.
 

Zam

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looks like someone "anonymously" went and tattle about this page to ol' Twi.
"Xel went whining to his friends that you blocked "him"." (I hate these people)

Bullshit, I legit said:

Whelp I'm blocked, hopefully this means they will stop talking about me, and also maybe one day learn what the definition of a lie is.

I expressed annoyance about them construing my efforts to be polite with cowardice but that's a different thing. Still I suppose this shows the typical level of reading comprehension shown by RWDE so points for consistency.
 
Ah, so your response is to just continue to lie. Gotcha. Well, have a good night everyone. This is indeed amusing, to see all of you being so dishonest. Its quite refreshing.

So please, by all means my fellow forum users. Continue engaging in alt-right tactics and defending racist writing from your position of privilege. Dont let me interrupt you.

Zam, i can see the likes in agreement, its very clear that you and the band support whatever Lilith is trying to cook here, people dont have to say anything to very much show their support through likes (Which is basically cheering from afar). And hey, its your choice.

God, i love you privileged American liberals. None of you care about any of the causes you claim to care about while you throat the boot of a corporation that abuses minorities. Its just so amusing. The mental gymnastics, you using progressiveness as a cudgel in defense of corporations, the sheer amount of privilege. You are very refreshing.

See you next time you try to fabricate some lie about me, or when Lilith inevitably makes another post on Tumblr about me that you will all reblog because, gasp, i have the ability to make posts on reddit, and we dont like that, now do we?
Are you still here? Jesus Christ dude, get a life.
 

Matrix Dragon

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So, from a conversation elsewhere, in many ways Roman was the perfect starter villain with the perfect end. Amoral, an utter jackass, but one that knows he's in over his head and could EASILY get out, especially after V2 when he's in custody and Ironwoods trying to get the truth out of him, but is too scared of Cinder to make the attempt. Cinder, who the viewer learns is just a lackey. His final fate is brought about not just by Ruby managing to reach the ship and knock Neo off through quick thinking, but the his own cowardice and the consequences of his actions and inactions. I love him.
 

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So, from a conversation elsewhere, in many ways Roman was the perfect starter villain with the perfect end. Amoral, an utter jackass, but one that knows he's in over his head and could EASILY get out, especially after V2 when he's in custody and Ironwoods trying to get the truth out of him, but is too scared of Cinder to make the attempt. Cinder, who the viewer learns is just a lackey. His final fate is brought about not just by Ruby managing to reach the ship and knock Neo off through quick thinking, but the his own cowardice and the consequences of his actions and inactions. I love him.


If you are cold and selfish, you die alone in a grave of your own making
Roman - eaten by the grimm that came to Vale due to the schemes and actions he was a part of
Adam - killed by 2 women he had mentally and physically scared after they had given him many chances to back off
Ironwood - went down with the city he tried to fly away with instead of standing down and being able to escape with the people he forgot to protect
 
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