RWBY & RT General Discussion Thread (V1)

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Believe or not, there’s a rewrite that’s not a middle finger to CRWBY. It’s actually interesting, give it a try. It does, however, has spelling and grammar errors.
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Why should I? It's a waste of time. Even if this person has good ideas it's not like their version of RWBY is ever going to be made, and even if it was made it would run into the exact same issues of lack of resources and difficulty with managing said resources and making that deadlines that would force compromises that has affected the quality of the actual show.
 
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Why should I? It's a waste of time. Even if this person has good ideas it's not like their version of RWBY is ever going to be made, and even if it was made it would run into the exact same issues of lack of resources and difficulty with managing said resources and making that deadlines that would force compromises that has affected the quality of the actual show.
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In the words of Eddy Rivas: "Yes. I too would love an infinite budget."

(It's almost like that's the reason RWBY doesn't have plot-stall episodes...)

Edit: Also, from a brief reread, that rewrite complains that Atlas was initially portrayed as "good" but later as "evil". No, not at all—we got Atlas PR from Atlas themselves early in the story, and that PR ends up in a different light when we learn more about Atlas. It's entirely consistent, just that it's not as clear-cut as "Atlas says Atlas is great, therefore Atlas is great!"

Which really is at the root of a lot of RWBY "critique"—taking the most shallow first impression of something, then complaining when the story doesn't match that initial impression, even if the story has built up the truth of a manner as being quite the opposite of what such folks initially assumed.
 
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Lilith Fairen said:
In the words of Eddy Rivas: "Yes. I too would love an infinite budget."

(It's almost like that's the reason RWBY doesn't have plot-stall episodes...)

Edit: Also, from a brief reread, that rewrite complains that Atlas was initially portrayed as "good" but later as "evil". No, not at all—we got Atlas PR from Atlas themselves early in the story, and that PR ends up in a different light when we learn more about Atlas. It's entirely consistent, just that it's not as clear-cut as "Atlas says Atlas is great, therefore Atlas is great!"

Which really is at the root of a lot of RWBY "critique"—taking the most shallow first impression of something, then complaining when the story doesn't match that initial impression, even if the story has built up the truth of a manner as being quite the opposite of what such folks initially assumed.
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Even when we first got to know Atlas we had Penny being forbidden from talking to anyone or making any friends and lines like:


"They have done a fine job! Would you agree? Wouldn't you agree? But fine? Well in Atlas fine just isn't good enough."


Followed by the shiny new Atlesian Knight 200 models literally kicking down the old Atlesian Knight 130 models that are built to resemble humans. Even if they're just machines there's something unsettling about the callous attitude on display there. The way the old is treated like trash simply for no longer being as shiny and fancy as the hot new thing and how it's not just enjoy to replace the old but instead it has to be kicked to the curb.


It was a bit of a red flag moment. Not to mention the SDC, Ironwood backstabbing Ozpin, and the upper class twits in volume 4 along with Ironwood displaying some very worrying tendencies.
 
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Even when we first got to know Atlas we had Penny being forbidden from talking to anyone or making any friends and lines like:


"They have done a fine job! Would you agree? Wouldn't you agree? But fine? Well in Atlas fine just isn't good enough."


Followed by the shiny new Atlesian Knight 200 models literally kicking down the old Atlesian Knight 130 models that are built to resemble humans. Even if they're just machines there's something unsettling about the callous attitude on display there. The way the old is treated like trash simply for no longer being as shiny and fancy as the hot new thing and how it's not just enjoy to replace the old but instead it has to be kicked to the curb.


It was a bit of a red flag moment. Not to mention the SDC, Ironwood backstabbing Ozpin, and the upper class twits in volume 4 along with Ironwood displaying some very worrying tendencies.
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Yeah, V2 Ironwood in particular bored me because he was obviously going to turn against the heroes later, although I hoped, given the school setting of the time especially, he would be an ideological opponent for the most part. It wasn't until later volume 3 when he was shown to have some positive traits that I actually started to like him.
 
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from tokufan400 over on tumblr
"I just realized that Blake in Vol 2 could have been a version of Vol 7-8 Ironwood. Both characters where hyper focused on something, both where carrying some guilt, and both where running on very little sleep to the point where they where ignoring everything else except their goals. The difference is that Yang took Blake to the side and talked some sence into her while Ironwood didn't have anyone who did that. Hell, a fanfic I read had Qrow fake attack Ironwood, and then point out how if he was 100%, Ironwood would have had a gun to his head instead of just standing their. Honestly, this is less of a critique and more of a realization that Vol 2 Blake was on a similar path that Ironwood was in the Atlas Arc."
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I'd link to the post itself, but the visible images on that account can not be shared on open forums like this >.< yeeeeesh
 
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ok folks
I just had a thought
SO, all 5 Ace-Ops (Clover, Harriet, Vine, Elm and Marrow) are all based on Aesop's Fables, no questions asked.
Ironwood can also be tied to an Aesop, "The Astrologer"
So I wonder.....could Winter (or other Atlas characters for that matter) also be tied to any Aesop's?
 
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Watching gh0xttherebel react has been a fun reminder for some lost details of the show in my brain, such as:

Pyrrha establishes Aura needs to be activated to be used in V1 and then when watching the World of Remnant it occurs to me that the way Salem structures that sentence sets up the predication that the Aura is being 'used' or activated, before bringing up the passive shield point.

Also there's the interesting factor that Tai was a school teacher before Summer even died, which does sort of give the vibe he never really went out as a Hunter much. We do have Ruby reference him missing going on adventures with Summer & taking missions again, but given he was a teacher and they had young kids, I imagine these were pretty sporadic.
 
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I mean, I think Tai became a teacher around the time Yang came into his life.
Teaching would be a more steady income and a LOT less risk. Meanwhile he had Qrow and Summer to help every now and then.
 
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I mean, I think Tai became a teacher around the time Yang came into his life.
Teaching would be a more steady income and a LOT less risk. Meanwhile he had Qrow and Summer to help every now and then.
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I'm pretty sure they had Yang right out of the academy for Raven to be the right age for Maidenhood after leaving.
I agree on less risk, less sure on the steady income given jobs don't seem to be that hard to come by for high level fighters.
 
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ok so, a few days ago I recall passing by a Syto post where he talks about how the faunus in his rewrite have more than 1 animal trait.
his reason? he feels it's to limiting in regards to design or something.
he even tries to bring up how Sienna's stripes are tattoos and not actual tiger stripes and that in his redesign he gave her a weaponized tail.
and I just can't help but think to myself "this just proves he doesn't understand design" among other stuff.

- When it comes to beast-folk of various media you either have the Ears&Tail combo, like Fran and the Black Cat race in "Reincarnated as a Sword", or the Full Fluff, like Catra in SPOP. RWBY's brand of "beast-folk" with the faunus stands out BECAUSE of the 1 trait rule.
- The "limiting" comment, well maybe that is part of the point? It makes a designer have to think about what they want a certain faunus to look like. Not to mention it helps each one stand out. Blake and Neon are both cats, but a different part helps them stand out, for example.
- For Sienna, if we stick with the 1 trait rule (her having the ears) then her having tattoos could actually be a personal statement to the world. It could be her saying "I am a tiger faunus and PROUD to be one.", so just making the stripes just one of many animal traits she has takes away from the silent message.
- Having faunus just have 1 trait could very well of also been a design choice to show that they are still very much human as apposed to being typical furry bait that goes "Nyaa".
 
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random thought
Ruby is the only member of Team RWBY who has not face the pains of the past.

Weiss - stood up to her father and reconnected with her family
Blake - reunited with her parents, helped put Ilia on a better path, reforged her bond with Yang and stood against Adam
Yang - learned to not barrel through problems, got her answers regarding Raven, reforged her bond with Blake and stood against Adam

But Ruby? While the likes of Oz, Salem, and her Cabal are in their own ways stuck in the pains of the past, Ruby keeps trying to outrun it all. She keeps pressing forward, no matter how tired she gets. Eventually she won't be able to run, and she'll have to face it.
One has to wonder.....how will such a thing take shape? Is Summer the "Person By The Fire" in the V9 trailer? Is Summer that "individual Salem was talking to by Seer" back during the Mistral Arc? And what will be the Lesson that Ruby learns from this encounter?

Only time will tell, I guess.
 
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ok so, a few days ago I recall passing by a Syto post where he talks about how the faunus in his rewrite have more than 1 animal trait.
his reason? he feels it's to limiting in regards to design or something.
he even tries to bring up how Sienna's stripes are tattoos and not actual tiger stripes and that in his redesign he gave her a weaponized tail.
and I just can't help but think to myself "this just proves he doesn't understand design" among other stuff.

- When it comes to beast-folk of various media you either have the Ears&Tail combo, like Fran and the Black Cat race in "Reincarnated as a Sword", or the Full Fluff, like Catra in SPOP. RWBY's brand of "beast-folk" with the faunus stands out BECAUSE of the 1 trait rule.
- The "limiting" comment, well maybe that is part of the point? It makes a designer have to think about what they want a certain faunus to look like. Not to mention it helps each one stand out. Blake and Neon are both cats, but a different part helps them stand out, for example.
- For Sienna, if we stick with the 1 trait rule (her having the ears) then her having tattoos could actually be a personal statement to the world. It could be her saying "I am a tiger faunus and PROUD to be one.", so just making the stripes just one of many animal traits she has takes away from the silent message.
- Having faunus just have 1 trait could very well of also been a design choice to show that they are still very much human as apposed to being typical furry bait that goes "Nyaa".
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The beautiful thing about any "critic" rewriter talking about their thought process (or their whining about the show in general) is that it truly highlights how none of them understand the point of anything in RWBY, or how stories work at all.

SYTOkun's "best" post is probably the one where he's like "how do I make the RWBY characters good characters" and starts off by going "how can I have Ruby realize she's a dumb bitch for not being a misanthrope".
 
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ok so, a few days ago I recall passing by a Syto post where he talks about how the faunus in his rewrite have more than 1 animal trait.
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I think you outline your pointsd here extremely well!

From memory the main reason the creators avoided doing it was to avoid leaning too hard on the concept of furry's though I hear they regretted it a bit and have loosened the rule, but even if they had done that from the start I doubt it'd be "Cat Faunus have ears & tails" and would be more like "A cat Faunus can have ears, claws and maybe a nose."
 
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