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Mostly just self indulgence but

RWBY V8 Idea: Hacking Fake Out
OK this is just an idea I’d like to see happen but might not but here’s the gist.

Ironwood thinks Penny is controllable like any machine, so he has his soldiers threaten and beat Watts to make him help “hack Penny.”

Watts knows damn well you can’t hack something with a soul but pretending to help is better than getting beaten up and he can feed Ironwood false info just for fun & sabotage.

So he’s working away and Ironwood starts bristling at how long its taking and begins threatening but Watts is indifferent.

“I’m not some puerile politician James, you can’t kill me, because if you do you lose your last, best chance at retaking control of the girl.”

“You’re not irreplaceable Watts,” he seethes.

Watts presses his forehead to the gun, smirking, “So go ahead, do it.”

Ironwood stares at him, his hand begins to shake and he roars, dragging it away and stalking off.

“Thought so, go and get me a drink would you?”

“Don’t push it!”

Next we see Watts he has his drink and is looking very pleased with himself.
 
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Zam said:
Mostly just self indulgence but

RWBY V8 Idea: Hacking Fake Out
OK this is just an idea I’d like to see happen but might not but here’s the gist.

Ironwood thinks Penny is controllable like any machine, so he has his soldiers threaten and beat Watts to make him help “hack Penny.”

Watts knows damn well you can’t hack something with a soul but pretending to help is better than getting beaten up and he can feed Ironwood false info just for fun & sabotage.

So he’s working away and Ironwood starts bristling at how long its taking and begins threatening but Watts is indifferent.

“I’m not some puerile politician James, you can’t kill me, because if you do you lose your last, best chance at retaking control of the girl.”

“You’re not irreplaceable Watts,” he seethes.

Watts presses his forehead to the gun, smirking, “So go ahead, do it.”

Ironwood stares at him, his hand begins to shake and he roars, dragging it away and stalking off.

“Thought so, go and get me a drink would you?”

“Don’t push it!”

Next we see Watts he has his drink and is looking very pleased with himself.
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He is the kind of petty mustache twirler who WOULD do that.
"I'll keep him busy and further drive him down, but I do hope Salem has someone pick me up soon. I need to rub it in to the others how good I am."
 
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Pugman said:
He is the kind of petty mustache twirler who WOULD do that.
"I'll keep him busy and further drive him down, but I do hope Salem has someone pick me up soon. I need to rub it in to the others how good I am."
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Thank you and yes, exactly, that's totally the approach he'd have to the situation, just wasting Ironwood's time and resources, while subtly trolling and waiting for his lift.

Honestly now I'm just remembering that XKCD comic where programmers were waiting for something to 'compile' I think and so took to sword fighting on their chairs.

Ironwood: What are you doing!?
Watts who was watching his favorite soap opera: Virus is compiling.

Also fun Ace-ops stuff & Atlas/Vacuo too!
https://harostar.tumblr.com%2Fpost%2F634265855009652736
 
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Thank you and yes, exactly, that's totally the approach he'd have to the situation, just wasting Ironwood's time and resources, while subtly trolling and waiting for his lift.

Honestly now I'm just remembering that XKCD comic where programmers were waiting for something to 'compile' I think and so took to sword fighting on their chairs.

Ironwood: What are you doing!?
Watts who was watching his favorite soap opera: Virus is compiling.

Also fun Ace-ops stuff & Atlas/Vacuo too!
https://harostar.tumblr.com%2Fpost%2F634265855009652736
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That post made me think about the IronQrow hug last volume.
We had never seen the 2 physically make contact before, not so much as a handshake or a shoulder pat.
So for Ironwood who is typically professional and stoic to let his walls down THAT MUCH to HUG Qrow shows how rough things are for the General, and Qrow's shocked hesitation shows that this is "not normal" (but at least "not unwelcomed"). If only it could of lasted :(
But NOPE, Salem and her squad had to roll up and further torment Ironwood.
 
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Also an amazing post on Neo:
https://kkglinka.tumblr.com%2Fpost%2F634273502192631808
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That post made me think about the IronQrow hug last volume.
We had never seen the 2 physically make contact before, not so much as a handshake or a shoulder pat.
So for Ironwood who is typically professional and stoic to let his walls down THAT MUCH to HUG Qrow shows how rough things are for the General, and Qrow's shocked hesitation shows that this is "not normal" (but at least "not unwelcomed"). If only it could of lasted :(
But NOPE, Salem and her squad had to roll up and further torment Ironwood.
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Yeah Ironwood has obviously been basically destroying himself and as one poster put it (dragging everyone else down with him), that's the thing about Atlas's stoicism and mentality, its utterly toxic not just to others but to one's self.
 
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A realization I had:

Winter is not the Cinder to Ironwood’s Salem, she’s the Emerald.

Think about it.

Both Ironwood & Cinder effectively plucked someone under extremely shitty circumstances (Abusive home & homelessness respectively) and gave them a safe haven. They provided for their needs, were ‘kind’ in a sense of the word, made grand promises and gave them a sense of belonging and purpose.

Both Winter and Emerald, whatever other character faults they may have, aren’t themselves terribly inclined to do anything broad and malicious alone. They will however aid their ‘savior’ in anything no matter what compromises they have to make or how much it disturbs them.

This is because they share the same root motivations of love and loyalty. t is that affection that let’s them justify everything they do for their ‘savior’. Emerald spells it out in V5, while Winter’s conditioning leaves her constantly rationalizing everything Ironwood does & why its for the best. In both cases they feel what their ‘savior’ wants is right or otherwise owed to them, and that they ‘owe’ them their service, because of gratitude, because of loyalty, because of love.

Its fucked up.
 
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A realization I had:

Winter is not the Cinder to Ironwood’s Salem, she’s the Emerald.

Think about it.

Both Ironwood & Cinder effectively plucked someone under extremely shitty circumstances (Abusive home & homelessness respectively) and gave them a safe haven. They provided for their needs, were ‘kind’ in a sense of the word, made grand promises and gave them a sense of belonging and purpose.

Both Winter and Emerald, whatever other character faults they may have, aren’t themselves terribly inclined to do anything broad and malicious alone. They will however aid their ‘savior’ in anything no matter what compromises they have to make or how much it disturbs them.

This is because they share the same root motivations of love and loyalty. t is that affection that let’s them justify everything they do for their ‘savior’. Emerald spells it out in V5, while Winter’s conditioning leaves her constantly rationalizing everything Ironwood does & why its for the best. In both cases they feel what their ‘savior’ wants is right or otherwise owed to them, and that they ‘owe’ them their service, because of gratitude, because of loyalty, because of love.

Its fucked up.
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And yet another reason for Weiss to be paired against Emerald.



Zam said:
This Needs to be said, a lot:
https://tumblezwei.tumblr.com%2Fpost%2F634321346871099392
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I've been saying that for years.
Not all lies are bad, otherwise every parent who spent any time convincing their children things like Santa and Tooth Fairy are real are horrible people.
 
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Pugman said:
And yet another reason for Weiss to be paired against Emerald.
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Oooh that'd be an interesting discussion if Weiss noticed the similarities.

Pugman said:
I've been saying that for years.
Not all lies are bad, otherwise every parent who spent any time convincing their children things like Santa and Tooth Fairy are real are horrible people.
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I jokingly hold that against my parents, but its just for fun XD

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And yet again the show adds some subtle but powerful examples of systematic racism and how it isn't as obvious and in your face as beating up minorities with baseball bats or some shit like that.
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Yeah the Crater is almost everything I wanted it to be, horrific!
 
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This first episode answered a major question for me and I am here for it:
Going into V8 I was wondering how Ironwood could possibly serve as an antagonist on a functional level given Salem was invading.

Suffice to say the first episode laid all my concerns/confusion to rest before we even hit the eight minute mark and just kept going strong after that.

Because this isn’t a culling, this is a siege and retrieval mission; Salem makes that much clear by restraining Cinder (For more reasons than that) and her focus on the Relics. As her scene fades out we see massive Dust shield encompassing Atlas as well further driving the point home.

And that alone all works, because really, Mantle has shit all that she wants so of course she’s gonna focus on consolidating her forces for the real prize and just leave the stragglers she can’t use in Mantle.

And the only thing she cares about in Atlas is the Relic, actually destroying the army or wiping outs its people is literally just a case of whatever happens to get her to the Relic fastest.

Then there’s the fact she has questions for Jinn, so naturally she’s gonna want to focus on that now that she finally has her.

Thus, given she has no need for a supply chain, an army bereft of morale or stamina issues, it is a simple thing to loosely occupy Mantle, encompass Atlas and just starve them out.

How much Dust stock do they have, food, sheer will?

Is it enough to outlast an immortal army at their gates?

I would say, definitely not, & she knows that.

Also Ironwood mentioned the hard light shields, further clarifying why Salem is a threat but how he can still be distracted by stuff other than not dying to her.
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Can I just say, I loved how incredulous Ironwood sounded when Ruby mentioned Mantle. He literally can't understand why anyone would still care about it. He really has written off everyone not on his special island.
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Yeah he is completely beyond even giving a faux shit.
 
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ᛚᛟᚲᛁ ᚱᚢᛚᛖᛋ ᚨᚾᛞ ᚦᛟᚱ ᛞᚱᛟᛟᛚᛊ said:
Spoiler: That's eerie
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Oh yeah that is good! I recall an expansion noting they don't think Ironwood is as intentional with it as Adam, but that doesn't actually change anything as a lot of toxic people can be like that.

Also speaking of that scene:
https://alexkablob.tumblr.com%2Fpost%2F634408968507310080

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Spoiler: Yang blows a fuse in 3...2...1
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Yang finds out how to vocalize a key smash XD
 
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ᛚᛟᚲᛁ ᚱᚢᛚᛖᛋ ᚨᚾᛞ ᚦᛟᚱ ᛞᚱᛟᛟᛚᛊ said:
On that note. XD
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A perfect post XD

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And on this note again:
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Aaaalll of this. Its even worse when you consider Atlas is only vulnerable to flying Grimm, rather than flying & ground Grimm like the crater or Mantle.

There's a great addition to it too:
https://harostar.tumblr.com%2Fpost%2F634455949496762368
 
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