I've got to get around to writing up my own thoughts on the Fairy Tales of Remnant at some point.... Will probably wait though. My hand still doesn't feel so good.
Anyway thought on the trailer. I've seen the usual suspects talking about how RWBY are totally being Ironwood but worse and stupid nonsense like that. Personally I think it would be interesting if the volume actually doesn't make the Mantle/World discussion into some big drama split in the group. Instead it would be cool if RWBYJNR actually end up being used as a contrast to Ironwood's dysfunctional leadership by discussing things in a healthy way and coming up with a plan to save both Mantle and the world that everyone in the group can agree on.
I don't think that's necessarily too out there considering how chill the previews have been. That doesn't seem like something that would happen after a big rift opening up in the group.
I've got to get around to writing up my own thoughts on the Fairy Tales of Remnant at some point.... Will probably wait though. My hand still doesn't feel so good.
Anyway thought on the trailer. I've seen the usual suspects talking about how RWBY are totally being Ironwood but worse and stupid nonsense like that. Personally I think it would be interesting if the volume actually doesn't make the Mantle/World discussion into some big drama split in the group. Instead it would be cool if RWBYJNR actually end up being used as a contrast to Ironwood's dysfunctional leadership by discussing things in a healthy way and coming up with a plan to save both Mantle and the world that everyone in the group can agree on.
I don't think that's necessarily too out there considering how chill the previews have been. That doesn't seem like something that would happen after a big rift opening up in the group.
Well given the description blurb we got made it sound like Ruby and Yang have a disagreement it at least is not as outlandish as usual to think there might be a momentary split in the group unity. However I do agree that Team Remnant won't be harshly split up about this.
My take is that Yang's group gets boots on the ground to round up the people left behind, while also picking up some stuff for Pietro from his Mantle base. Meanwhile Ruby's group are still up in Atlas trying to get Qrow/Robyn while also probably getting other things for Pietro. From there the plan is to get to Amity, do quick tech so it has enough ability to send out another quick message from Ruby to the rest of the world about Salem and the situation in Atlas.
I'd heard the idea of Ruby & Yang fighting was fans misunderstanding stuff?
Anyway I'm with Mook, RWBY were fairly united in not screwing over Mantle so chances are the debate is either not internal or more about prioritizing their focus and numbers, as well as deciding a specific plan.
I'd heard the idea of Ruby & Yang fighting was fans misunderstanding stuff?
Anyway I'm with Mook, RWBY were fairly united in not screwing over Mantle so chances are the debate is either not internal or more about prioritizing their focus and numbers, as well as deciding a specific plan.
Mhm, that is most likely what is going on.
Do we focus our efforts on getting a message out, or protecting those left behind?
Most likely answer, Both. Divide And Conquer, but by the good guys.
When I first heard about it I didn't quite vibe with Ironwood's "Mettle" Semblance, but thinking on it some more it actually sounds like it could be extremely useful and it's potentially a lot more than just a personality trait:
Remember in gen:LOCK when Cammie took advantage of the digital nature of Mindframes to basically "hack" her own personality? Doing stuff like boosting confidence and aggression to turn herself from a nervous wreck afraid of her own shadow to an asskicking berserker?
Granted it backfired badly because she went way overboard with it. But Ironwood's Semblance is basically the ability to do that and potentially so much more.
Imagine chibi-James going to Atlas Academy learning to be a Huntsman.
Suppose chibi-James has problems with history class the same way Jaune did.
Or maybe "stealth" class or weapon design isn't something he's talented at and he's struggling with learning the material.
Or maybe he had a boorish teacher like Professor Port whose ramblings bore students to sleep.
Where a normal student in his situation might find themselves struggling to pay attention, or find themselves getting easily distracted, or struggles to engage with any material that isn't within their own spheres of interest Ironwood should be able to just say "no, I am going to work on history/stealth/listen to and take concise notes of this boring lecture" and then ramp up his Semblance to whatever intensity is required for him to become the perfect student that his focusing 100% on what he needs to learn without becoming distracted by anything irrelevant.
Then when class is over and he needs to focus on other stuff he can just ramp his Semblance down and go back to being a normal person, and then ramp it up again when there's a new subject that he needs to focus on.
Have you ever made aNew Year's resolution that you completely failed to keep?
Or struggled to keep a promise you made to yourself about going to the gym every other day and eat healthily?
Decided to learn a new language with Duolingo and did really well for a while but then fell off the track and eventually just kind of quietly dropped it?
If Ironwood ever struggled with stuff like that he could just deploy Mettle to ensure that he never strays from the goals he sets for himself, no matter how little motivation he has or how many distractions there might be.
Need to hold a big speech in front of a live audience but you struggle with stage fright and don't have much talent for holding speeches?
Well with a handy dandy Mettle Semblance you can hyperfocus to ensure that you make the best speech you could possibly make, not letting any of your fears or other distractions affect your ability to perform at your peak (notice how Ironwood's public speeches are a lot better than the ones he gives in private?)
Got any injuries, PTSD or plain old overthinking that's distracting you when you need to make a difficult shot with your pistol?
A little dash of Mettle and you can concentrate completely on your aim while letting nothing distract you from making the perfect shot.
And so on and so forth. Mettle isn't a big flashy special ability, but much like his pistols it's potentially quite practical and utilitarian.
It has some uses in direct combat but while it's certainly underpowered there compared to other Semblances it seems like it could be extremely useful for basically everything one does in daily life (which in turn can help train you up so that you have maxed your knowledge, skill and fitness for when you do enter combat).
Though like with Cammie's attempts to mod herself there is danger with going down such a route as well. Danger that I think we've seen quite aptly with Ironwood in the show.
Though like with Cammie's attempts to mod herself there is danger with going down such a route as well. Danger that I think we've seen quite aptly with Ironwood in the show.
This is an excellent analysis/comparison piece, it gives a very good visual example of how Ironwood's Semblance likely works and how devastating such removal of evolved faculties can be, kudos!
So, something that has always bugged me since the start of volume 7 is when the AceOps arrest our heroes. The first thing out of Clovers mouth is the airship. I finally clicked as to why that has always bugged me. If they'd known for a fact, probably though surveillance drones or something, that RWBY and co werre behind the airship, THEY WOULD HAVE ARRESTED MARIA. I always assumed it was arrogance and blindness on their part, arrest the people making a scene while missing their ally right there being quiet. But no, they just used those charges to justify hauling in RWBYJNROQ in front of witnesses.
So, something that has always bugged me since the start of volume 7 is when the AceOps arrest our heroes. The first thing out of Clovers mouth is the airship. I finally clicked as to why that has always bugged me. If they'd known for a fact, probably though surveillance drones or something, that RWBY and co werre behind the airship, THEY WOULD HAVE ARRESTED MARIA. I always assumed it was arrogance and blindness on their part, arrest the people making a scene while missing their ally right there being quiet. But no, they just used those charges to justify hauling in RWBYJNROQ in front of witnesses.
Excellent post there, yeah that whole thing really does just seem like an aside, BS justification he pulled up to avoid being questioned or criticized for arresting people who'd just been fighting Grimm.
Excellent post there, yeah that whole thing really does just seem like an aside, BS justification he pulled up to avoid being questioned or criticized for arresting people who'd just been fighting Grimm.
well to play devils advocate;
1 - Maria made a point in Pietro's office about laying low and how Ruby and friends don't know how to do that, as we seem them run off before Pietro can tell them to cool their jets and let his daughter handle it.
2 - Ironwood knows everyone in the group save for Oscar and Maria, and Oscar was part of the fight.
3 - They have to keep up appearances some how. Maria was not causing or part of a scene so say a rando civy saw the arrest everything would look annoyingly by the rules. However if said civy saw them slap a bolacuff on the old granny that would of set people off a lot faster.
4 - Not sure how much Pietro knows. We know Ironwood informed the Aces, Winter, and Penny, but when he said as much I don't recall him naming Pietro. (makes me wonder if Penny2 lost the lying hiccup she had before).
well to play devils advocate;
1 - Maria made a point in Pietro's office about laying low and how Ruby and friends don't know how to do that, as we seem them run off before Pietro can tell them to cool their jets and let his daughter handle it.
2 - Ironwood knows everyone in the group save for Oscar and Maria, and Oscar was part of the fight.
3 - They have to keep up appearances some how. Maria was not causing or part of a scene so say a rando civy saw the arrest everything would look annoyingly by the rules. However if said civy saw them slap a bolacuff on the old granny that would of set people off a lot faster.
4 - Not sure how much Pietro knows. We know Ironwood informed the Aces, Winter, and Penny, but when he said as much I don't recall him naming Pietro. (makes me wonder if Penny2 lost the lying hiccup she had before).
1: Given how many Grimm were on the streets they would have killed Pietro and a ton of other people before Penny got there.
2: Not really relevant given they were blaming them for the aircraft theft and still had no evidence.
3: That kind of just proves Matrix's point that the arrest was bullshit?
4: Not sure how that relates.
Thanks for sharing these, I've loved his reactions and this reminded me to go listen to Indomitable and watch the AMV shared elsewhere and I am always just... Moved.
Thanks for sharing these, I've loved his reactions and this reminded me to go listen to Indomitable and watch the AMV shared elsewhere and I am always just... Moved.
In the field of psychology, the Dunning–Kruger effect is a cognitive bias in which people with low ability at a task overestimate their ability. It is related to the cognitive bias of illusory superiority and comes from the inability of people to recognize their lack of ability. Without the self-awareness of metacognition, people cannot objectively evaluate their competence or incompetence.[1]
As described by social psychologists David Dunning and Justin Kruger, the bias results from an internal illusion in people of low ability and from an external misperception in people of high ability; that is, "the miscalibration of the incompetent stems from an error about the self, whereas the miscalibration of the highly competent stems from an error about others."[1]
The less people know about Monty, RWBY, CRWBY or the production of animated shows the more certain they are that they know better than the people making the show.
The less people know about Monty, RWBY, CRWBY or the production of animated shows the more certain they are that they know better than the people making the show.
Interacting with the RWBY fandom (or discussing RWBY with people outside the fandom) can be extremely frustrating at times. Especially the outright RWDE crowd. But at times posts like this one comes along and demonstrate how the fandom can be a fascinating and kind of horrifying look at peoples attitudes and beliefs.
If anything, the Tyrian-Clover-Qrow-Robyn fight makes things worse for me because it actually makes a decent amount of sense (regarding the cold, I mean. Not other aspects lol). Weiss tells us that you need aura to protect yourself from the cold and sure enough, these characters all have aura. They’re also involved in a fight so even if their aura wasn’t active due to the cold before, it definitely is now. I can believe that Qrow, Clover, and Tyrian, as powerful fighters, are all fine out in that tundra. Robyn’s situation should be critical not just due to injuries she may have suffered from the crash, but also because she’s unconscious (no aura) and lying in the snow. She’s going to freeze to death, which to my mind just further supports Clover’s “You need to stop fighting me so we can get her help” and further damns Qrow’s “Nah. I care more about freedom than the life of an ally.”
I mean sure there is the usual RWDE idiocy of whining about things that aren't really a problem (Weiss specified that it takes hours for the cold to kill, there are scenes showing people using Burn Dust to keep warm and Robyn was only lying out in the cold for a few minutes before being stowed onto a warm airship) but what fascinates and scares me is how this person can get all these facts together, line up the equations and then so thoroughly miss all the red flags that they should be seeing.
Yes Robyn's life is in danger. She is potentially injured and is at risk of suffering from hypothermia if she doesn't get to shelter or recover her Aura in time.
That is precisely why it is scummy and manipulative of Clover to hold her life hostage to pressure Qrow into letting himself be arrested.
Qrow who mind you had not committed any crimes at all when the order was put out for his arrest.
Qrow's only crime was being related to a whistleblower.
And again he was not being brought in for a police interrogation because the Atlas police/military wanted to ask him some pointed questions about his niece. He was not being brought in to talk with Ironwood so that Ironwood could convince him that Operation Sky High was the best idea and ask him to talk sense into his niece. He was not even being specifically brought in for temporary holding or being put under surveillance to ensure that he couldn't join up with his niece.
He (and 4 other entirely guiltless people*) was flat out being placed on a Atlas Most Wanted list and ordered to be put under arrest just because he happened to be related to someone who defied Ironwood. He wasn't even related to someone who broke the law, just someone who refused to follow the illegal orders of a military organization that she was not actually a part of.
If we look at this from Qrow's perspective his niece makes a panicked call to give a desperate warning about Ironwood suddenly and without warning doing a 180 and deciding to abandon the people of Mantle to die to the cold and the Grimm. That call is abruptly cut of for reasons that Qrow can only speculate on.
We the audience know that Ironwood pushed a button to jam their comms (possiboy with a backdoor he had installed on the phones he so "generously" gave them) but for all Qrow knows Ruby's call was cut off because Ironwood saw a child right in front of himself.
Then right after Ruby's attempt to blow the whistle is aborted under suspicious circumstances the ensuing eerie silence is broken by a Scroll.
But it's not Qrow's Scroll that's beeping because Ironwood sent him a message or is calling him to explain the situation. No, it's Clover's Scroll that's beeping because he just received orders for Qrow's arrest. Just orders mind. No warrants, no charges, no crimes, no nothing. All Qrow gets is a "you're under arrest" without a single word on what he is under arrest for. Not that any such things are required, everyone in that airship knows that Qrow isn't guilty of anything except being politically inconvenient.
Which brings me to what's so freaking creepy about that post that started all this: Qrow is the victim in this situation.
It's clearly not right for Clover to arrest him. He has no reasonable justification for arresting him beyond "because my boss said so" and said boss is a dangerously unstable dictator who at this point is perfectly willing to shoot a defenseless child because said child attempted to peacefully talk him into changing his mind.
Granted Qrow doesn't know that Ironwood has become that bad. But he also has no way of knowing if Ironwood is or is not even worse.
For all Qrow knows Ironwood intends to execute everyone on that wanted list, and maybe even any and all political dissidents as well.
There is absolutely no reason why Qrow should feel like himself, Robyn (who has now attempted to resist arrest and is therefore also on the wanted list) or his family are going to be safe if they turn themselves in and let Ironwood arrest them. And hell, if Robyn had been conscious (but unable to move/fight) then she would have absolutely told Qrow to kick Clover's ass and taken her chances with the cold.
Then here comes Clover. He looks at these entirely unreasonable orders and decides that the only thing to do is to follow them. He looks at Qrow trying to deescalate the situation by talking to Ironwood and decides that Qrow still needs to be arrested. He looks at Tyrian crashing the plane and Robyn potentially being on death's door and decides that the first and only priority should be to place Qrow under arrest (because he doesn't have to understand orders, he just has to follow them).
And there are people in this world. Real people who look at this situation and conclude that the problem is not that Clover is holding a woman's life hostage to arrest an innocent man, but that the innocent man refused to be taken in by such underhanded tactics. To these real people it apparently never occured to them that Clover could have simply let Qrow go, or at least suggested a temporary ceasefire to get Robyn some medical attention before resuming the fight elsewhere. Or that he could have decided to postpone Qrow's arrest to first deal with the dangerously unstable serial killer that just crashed their plane and is potentially on the loose**.
This stuff is actually kind of scary when you think about it. Because despite Qrow spelling out the fact that Clover was being manipulative and the show giving us plenty of context for why Clover was in the wrong there are so many people like this who seems to have completely fallen for Clover's manipulation and are utterly blind to how he's trying to coerce an innocent man into a potentially very dangerous/outright lethal situation.
And the scary part about that is that if these people can't recognize manipulation and gaslighting when it happens (and is pointed out as such) in fiction, then how incapable would they be of spotting abuse and manipulation happening in real life? A depressingly reoccurring theme in stories about real life abusers, gaslighters and manipulators is how quick people are to blame the victims and give the abusers a free pass and here we see how eager real people are to excuse fictional abuse even when there is a literal narrative that is clearly telling them who the bad guy is. How much quicker are these people to defend abusers in the murkier scenarios of real life, where the facts are so much harder to come by? Thinking about it is not giving me warm happy thoughts I can tell you that much.
As a final note can I just point out how utterly baffling it is that this person is simultaneously calling for the show to depict hundreds/thousands of people perishing from the cold while also calling Qrow selfish for not cooperating with the people who want to let tens of thousands of people perish in the cold?
* Oh, and I just realized another way Ironwood's paranoia screwed things up in regards to Team ORNJ and the Lamp. Because Ironwood activated his Greek Gift and took away Team ORNJ's ability to communicate with their Scrolls they were unable to warn him, Team RWBY or even each other about Neo's attempt to retrieve the Relic. So combined with the Atlas soldiers covering for Neo so she could escape with the Relic later on Ironwood basically ended up helping Salem's agents retrieve the lamp twice over.
** And while it's not mentioned in that post it's telling that so many people like this person rage against Qrow for "siding" with Tyrian while ignoring how Clover effectively did the same thing several times beforehand by attacking Qrow every time Qrow turned his back on Clover to deal with Tyrian.
