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Cordovin screwed up. She did not take part in a coup attempt. On the scale of screw-ups, she's got room to maneuver. Which allows her to serve as the official assripping certain people have coming.
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If we're gonna use that as the litmus test, then Weiss screwed up for botching her father's coup attempt.
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Saw this post recently:
Apparently the Hot Ones is a tv show where celeberties are interviewed while eating increasingly spicy chicken wings. Honestly it seems like a really fun prompt for discussing basically any fictional characters.
So basically, RWBY characters on The Hot Ones. How do you think they would do?
Tyrian for example would defitively eat every single chicken wing and have no problem with the pain because he'd enjoy it. 100% chance that he creeps out everyone in the audience and the host.
Hazel would cheat like a motherfucker with his pain nullification Semblance. Not sure how he'd do on the interview.
Etc.
Apparently the Hot Ones is a tv show where celeberties are interviewed while eating increasingly spicy chicken wings. Honestly it seems like a really fun prompt for discussing basically any fictional characters.
So basically, RWBY characters on The Hot Ones. How do you think they would do?
Tyrian for example would defitively eat every single chicken wing and have no problem with the pain because he'd enjoy it. 100% chance that he creeps out everyone in the audience and the host.
Hazel would cheat like a motherfucker with his pain nullification Semblance. Not sure how he'd do on the interview.
Etc.
Ok.....what are you trying to imply this time? -.-
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The same thing Psyga implies every night puggie. A desperate need for attention.
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Or, you know, I'm bringing up that Jacques actually tried to coup Ironwood.
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I love Fairy Tales of Remnant but I remember being annoyed that they put Ruby on the cover because it didn't fit with how the book was supposed to be canon in-universe.
But now... now I'm imagining a volume 10 scene where background characters are thumbing through the book and arguing about which legends and fairy tales are real or not in this strange new world they live in, then Ruby notices herself on the cover, wonders what the heckle is going on and gets told its the new edition.
And then she discovers that she's become extremely marketable like Agatha in the Paris arc of Girl Genius.
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Shockingly enough, exposing Jacqueass's election fraud does not mean Weiss is at fault for Ironwood then deciding to overthrow his goverment and murder his rivals. That's all Jimmys choice.
Oh this is very fun!
Ruby: She likes sweet things, so I doubt she's a huge fan of spicy but given her family I think she'd be able to make it a decent bit in before it become a challenge and then she's constantly fanning her tongue.
Weiss: She does not last, she thinks salt is exotic, she is crying after the first bite.
Blake: Handles it very well, just crunches down on the bone and everything while holding a calm and erudite conversation on politics and social media and also have you seen her wife yet?
Yang: Can handle spice much better than Ruby, in fact once it does start to hurt she literally gets fired up and is basically out competing the spicy pain via her Semblance, but she definitely feels like crap afterwards.
Jaune: He does better than Weiss, worse than Ruby, he almost certainly screams.
Nora: She eats everything on pure adrenaline but her face is red splotchy and she is 100% crying as she does so.
Ren: Staring dead eyed at the camera as a power move, no reaction.
Oscar: He does OK, he's eaten weirder and more intense stuff living out in the countryside of Mistral than most of these hot sauces, makes it at least two thirds through before he starts coughing.
Oh my gosh I love this and as said previously, give that girl a cult!
... Technically that wasn't a coup... Like he did win the election fraudulently but everything Ironwood was being called up on was legit, and it was a pre-existing problem. If Robyn had won the situation would be much the same, that's not a coup.
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And it wasn't just Jacques, let's remember. The rest of the government was involved in calling Ironwood to account over what was stated, in-universe and out, to be Ironwood exceeding his authority and destroying checks and balances put into the system to prevent abuses of power. Which is blatantly part of the reason he murders Sleet at the start of volume 8. He wasn't going to let the civilians get in his way again.
Ironwood was never meant to be the sole authority in Atlas, despite where he'd managed to position himself before the heroes even entered the country.
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And even if Weiss hadn't done that it's not like there's was anything stopping Ironwood from overthrowing the government and shooting people who disagreed with him. That's kinda the fundamental problem of how the Atlesian government was structured and how Ironwood was given way too much power even within that already flawed framework.
Exactly yeah, Jac may not have had a right to be there but the civilian and duly elected government of Atlas trying to take Ironwood to task and force him to rescind all his emergency policies and criminal acts is not a fucking coup.
Yup, like if he'd somehow been detained and arrested during such a meeting I could maybe see the situation being resolved thanks to how top heavy the Atlesian military structure is, but if he decided to say "Fuck it" and start blasting and go full dictator earlier he likely could have.
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If Ironwood had been arrested? Or declared under arrest?
Honestly even without pulling a gun I could see him just saying "Fuck it, I'm declaring martial law, all of your opinions are invalid." and just getting away with it.
The problem with making your military part of the government instead of subservient to it is that when there's a disagreement between different portions of the government it becomes a "your word vs mine" situation except the military portion of the government has their words backed by force.
People in Atlas are already used to Ironwood effectively being in charge so if he pulled a coup it would be hard for the average Atlesian to notice any difference.
In a imagined scenario where he walked into that meeting without Team RWBY+JNR+QO he would still have all the Ace Ops + Winter & Penny at his side while the Jacques and the Council would have nothing.
So if he told the Ace Ops to arrest the council... Well we saw how they behaved when he shot a councilor in the face. Aside from Penny they would obey without question, and short of outright going rogue there's little Penny could do to stop it.
The Council could protest but Ironwood could make up some excuse, and when picking between one councilor or another most people would just keep their heads down and listen to the one currently in charge and who has the power to have them arrested (or shot) of they go against him.
Eeeeeeehhhh....
If Ironwood tried to coup at the party I actually think at least some of the Aces would of been more resistant to the order.
Like, for Elm and Vine I think part of them siding with Ironwood's ending of the evac and following his order of martial law was in part because of the fear that Salem was nearing/was there and the emotional shock of everything spiraling out of control and Team RWBY standing against them.
I mean sure they would still follow the order to arrest The Council, Jac and Robyn right there (and Robyn being the only one who could fight back), but I could still see like Marrow and Penny openly questioning the order.
If Ironwood tried to coup at the party I actually think at least some of the Aces would of been more resistant to the order.
Like, for Elm and Vine I think part of them siding with Ironwood's ending of the evac and following his order of martial law was in part because of the fear that Salem was nearing/was there and the emotional shock of everything spiraling out of control and Team RWBY standing against them.
I mean sure they would still follow the order to arrest The Council, Jac and Robyn right there (and Robyn being the only one who could fight back), but I could still see like Marrow and Penny openly questioning the order.
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Fear is a dangerous thing. It took them all V8 to start thinking again, no matter what Vine said about logic.
Either or to be honest, it'd be heavily contextual, I could see a potential situation where arresting him works out but nine times out of ten yeah he just declares martial law, says the arrest is invalid and his minions would race to help him.
More or less yeah, as others noted some might take issue with it, but he could likely still make it happen and as you say too much ground has been given to Ironwood already so it'd be hard for anyone to notice a difference right away.
Vine: I am only doing what's logical.
Ruby: You are yeeting yourself into space, that is the opposite of logic!
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Vine was very good at seeming logical, far better at it than Ironwood. He even had himself fooled I think. But he was also the first to embrace Ironwoods 'logic' of 'the enemy has revealed they are on atlas and can break into this office, clearly that means the freezing mantle citizens are how Salem's people are going to infiltrate atlas.'
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The fact that they have video evidence showing Watts just casually strolling into the Schnee mansion weeks/months ago really shows how bullshit that argument was when you stop to think about it.
Oh snap, ya know I hadn't wholly considered it from that angle but yeah, there is even less logical reason to think that the refugees were a smokescreen to smuggle Cinder or Hazel in. Cos even with Watts captured he could have let them in weeks ago if he had wanted, they have no way of knowing Cinder snuck in on her own.
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RWBY Beyond tomorrow. Can't wait.
Apparently the first one is Junior Detectives trying to figure out where RWBY & Jaune went.
