2020 elections thread

Strigix

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Imagine paying millions of dollars to get up on stage in front of the entire nation just so that you can be verbally humiliated. That's some dedication to being a paypig, if nothing else.
 
Nyvis

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Strigix said:
We've also, IIRC, got another primary debate coming up tomorrow. The results from Nevada are likely to be pretty significant to the debate, I think, but when we've got so many candidates who all desperately want to believe that there is a path to victory for them, but no one else, I have to wonder... How likely are we to see any of them drop out before super tuesday, or even to see any real realignment because of the debate?
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One worry is everyone ganging up on Sanders now that he's the frontrunner. His ability to deflect attacks is going to be tested. It's good preparation for the general election though.
 
Jim Starluck

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So... two questions remain uncertain about the Democratic nomination:

1 - Do the Dem leadership realize that Biden is going to get annihilated by Trump in November, or are they so far in denial that they're building pyramids? I'm mostly thinking the former, and that they have no problem losing to Trump in order to lock Bernie out, but I suppose some of them could have been just chugging the Kool-Aid.

2 - Will Biden last until the convention, or will his brain finish liquefying before then? Realistically he should have dropped out for medical reasons ages ago, but the people pulling the strings are all but certainly willing to play "Weekend at Biden's" for as long as they can, so it's a question of just how fast his decline goes over the next few months.
 
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Jim Starluck said:
So... two questions remain uncertain about the Democratic nomination:

1 - Do the Dem leadership realize that Biden is going to get annihilated by Trump in November, or are they so far in denial that they're building pyramids? I'm mostly thinking the former, and that they have no problem losing to Trump in order to lock Bernie out, but I suppose some of them could have been just chugging the Kool-Aid.

2 - Will Biden last until the convention, or will his brain finish liquefying before then? Realistically he should have dropped out for medical reasons ages ago, but the people pulling the strings are all but certainly willing to play "Weekend at Biden's" for as long as they can, so it's a question of just how fast his decline goes over the next few months.
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1) you are forgetting that the African Americans dominate the Dem vote, and the vast majority (we're talking upper 90 percentile here) never trusted any radical change. For most African Americans, the 'Establishment' Dems were the ones that they met in the living room. Bernie, in the grand scheme of things, wasn't. As long as the AA vote is locked in like that, anyone like Bernie who is for VIVA REVOLUTION! will be screwed. Hell, the data always had Bernie win the Cacususes and fall flat in the primaries.

2) not likely, I've lived with a dementia grandmother for years, and he's not even showing signs. He might start, but that's a few years yet.
 
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Aaron Fox said:
1) you are forgetting that the African Americans dominate the Dem vote, and the vast majority (we're talking upper 90 percentile here) never trusted any radical change. For most African Americans, the 'Establishment' Dems were the ones that they met in the living room. Bernie, in the grand scheme of things, wasn't. As long as the AA vote is locked in like that, anyone like Bernie who is for VIVA REVOLUTION! will be screwed. Hell, the data always had Bernie win the Cacususes and fall flat in the primaries.

2) not likely, I've lived with a dementia grandmother for years, and he's not even showing signs. He might start, but that's a few years yet.
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1) I would blame the MSM more for repeating the "electability" bullshit. They downplayed Bernie's pre-super tuesday wins while fawning over anyone else. Remember "The real story is second place"?
2) I have too and Biden reminds me a lot of her.
 
Nyvis

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Aaron Fox said:
1) you are forgetting that the African Americans dominate the Dem vote, and the vast majority (we're talking upper 90 percentile here) never trusted any radical change. For most African Americans, the 'Establishment' Dems were the ones that they met in the living room. Bernie, in the grand scheme of things, wasn't. As long as the AA vote is locked in like that, anyone like Bernie who is for VIVA REVOLUTION! will be screwed. Hell, the data always had Bernie win the Cacususes and fall flat in the primaries.

2) not likely, I've lived with a dementia grandmother for years, and he's not even showing signs. He might start, but that's a few years yet.
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This is bullshit. Exit polls clearly showed that a significant fraction of those African Americans did support Sanders' radical agenda and just didn't trust the rest of the party to vote for him. I'm not even sure they're wrong. The demographic that's really impeding change isn't them. It's the suburbian whites who vote democrat because they dislike the republicans' tone but have a meltdown at the idea of taxes or losing their overpriced insurances. African Americans follow the establishment because they believe only the establishment can keep those people in line, and they're the most worried about endangering their chances. And of course the media amplifies this narrative because it's mostly made up of those wealthy suburbian whites.

The only way to break that up is to politicize the vast numbers of non voters so that you don't have to rely on fiscally conservative suburbians and the rest of the party can start believing in a win without them.
 
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Nyvis said:
This is bullshit. Exit polls clearly showed that a significant fraction of those African Americans did support Sanders' radical agenda and just didn't trust the rest of the party to vote for him. I'm not even sure they're wrong. The demographic that's really impeding change isn't them. It's the suburbian whites who vote democrat because they dislike the republicans' tone but have a meltdown at the idea of taxes or losing their overpriced insurances. African Americans follow the establishment because they believe only the establishment can keep those people in line, and they're the most worried about endangering their chances. And of course the media amplifies this narrative because it's mostly made up of those wealthy suburbian whites.

The only way to break that up is to politicize the vast numbers of non voters so that you don't have to rely on fiscally conservative suburbians and the rest of the party can start believing in a win without them.
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This is so wrong that I can't breathe because I'm laughing so hard. You're taking every soundbite of the BernieBros and not hearing yourself.

Bernie lost because, to quote a Washington Post article:
My covert intelligence-gathering mission into the “Democratic establishment” began when I was growing up in South Carolina. My mother, a former Black Panther, didn’t believe that a black child could become a fully realized human being in the presence of whiteness, as she recently informed me, so I was home-schooled early on. Without the benefit of a formal social studies curriculum to educate me about political parties, I assumed the “Democrats” were some Illuminati-like secret society. All I knew was that in my grandmother’s house, uttering a negative word about Democrats was like blaspheming the name of Jesus or disrespecting the memory of the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr.

That’s why, when Sen. Bernie Sanders, his surrogates and assorted pundits say the “Democratic establishment” has banded together to stop him from winning the party’s presidential nomination and united around former vice president Joe Biden, I wonder: Which Democratic establishment? For black Americans, particularly Southerners, it is not the Democratic National Committee, or the corporate donor base, or even, as the political strategist Mark McKinnon defined it during the anti-establishment presidential race of 2016: “The measles. A disease. A political disease.” The Democratic establishment is, quite simply, their community. Those who vilify it are, by proxy, impugning the people who voice their concerns and protect their families.

Each Wednesday when I was young, I would journey deep into that establishment, to the Douglas family’s beautiful home for an hour-long piano lesson. It always lasted more than an hour. Patricia Douglas gave piano lessons to subsidize her career as the music teacher rotating among our black elementary schools. Her husband, Charles, was a science teacher, a middle school basketball coach and a city housing commissioner. They were what anyone would call pillars of our community. Many days, I would wade through the overcrowded Douglas living room filled with preachers, educators, politicians and various other neighborhood luminaries who were gathered to solve one problem or another. Sometimes it was a local business that discriminated against black residents. Other times, they coordinated their schedules for staffing the neighborhood polling stations. They raised money to send local kids to college or discussed how to address the city zoning board’s plan to allow a pollution-producing factory in a black neighborhood.
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Essentially, the 'establishment' Dems -and Biden- actually went out of their way to help the African-American community (and before go raving about those 'hard on crime' laws, those laws were backed by the African-American community, those are essentially the posterchild of 'unintended consequences') and meet with them in the living room (both literally and metaphorically) for decades, Sanders didn't. If anything, he attacked them, bullied them, hell Sanders almost treated them like dirt in a way. Even with the youth pools making Bernie a winner, it betrays the reality.

In summary, Biden and the 'Establishment' were the ones that built the community while Sanders is seen as someone who would rather tear it all down in the name of Revolution.
Comrade Sophia said:
1) I would blame the MSM more for repeating the "electability" bullshit. They downplayed Bernie's pre-super tuesday wins while fawning over anyone else. Remember "The real story is second place"?
2) I have too and Biden reminds me a lot of her.
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1) No, blame the trend that started back in the days of JFK, at least the modern incarnation anyway (you could argue that Theodore Roosevelt began that trend back in the turn of the century). Nixon lost because JFK was photogenic, young, and didn't try to rock the boat too much. In addition, politics is Machiavellian no matter what you say or do, and for most of the modern history of the US, the parties have always paired someone who knows how the machinery of politics works with someone who needs to 'learn the ropes' if possible.

2) I had to live with her with dementia for (calculates), oh, between the 8th grade to 10th grade (aka high school sophomore) and started noticing about a year before that. Is Biden getting memory fuzzy? A little, but then again its scientifically proven that our memories aren't as straightforward as we thought.
 
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Strigix said:
You know that bit in the rules that says 'be respectful of each other'?

This sort of performative nonsense is the opposite of that, and I don't want it on here.
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The thing is, sir, Nyvis is repeating the soundbytes of the BernieBros and ignoring the facts. S/he has been basically doing the 'saying without thinking' in forum form. Which is funny in the 'sad oh god why is this person shooting themselves in the foot' sense.
 
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Aaron Fox said:
The thing is, sir, Nyvis is repeating the soundbytes of the BernieBros and ignoring the facts. S/he has been basically doing the 'saying without thinking' in forum form. Which is funny in the 'sad oh god why is this person shooting themselves in the foot' sense.
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Just in case it wasn't clear when you were infracted, we don't desire this kind of performative dunking and blatant mean-ness. You're not cute, you're not funny, and you're already on my last nerve.

You're going on a temporary vacation until we decide what we're going to do with you.
P.S. I'm 's/he' isn't gonna fly. You know better.
 
Ruaire

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Rise Comics said:
On that note, I think I might write in Bernie for president, and vote downballot for the rest.
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AFAIK writing in your vote might as well send it too the shredder. Not in the sense that it's wasted, but in the sense that it functionally isn't even counted in a lot of states.

Might as well vote for your favorite third party so that the Dems can see how many votes they're losing
 
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I think that would be my advice to anyone in the upcoming elections: if you're in a swing state maybe consider voting Biden (or whatever shite Dem candidate eventually gets the candidacy) but otherwise spoil ballot or vote 3rd party and focus on getting downballot leftists elected where viable. It's not that these leftists can achieve much but it's worth having that voice and it opens up space for more radicalism.
 
Nyvis

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Spoiling ballots doesn't seem to be recorded, so boosting third parties seem like a better plan. Hopefully it shakes up the grip the two party system has on people's mind.
 
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Artificial Girl said:
I love it when libs take off the masks to show that they, too, are regressive sexists who hate women that don't follow their narratives.
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I bailed on the Liberals when it became clear that they were the exact same as the conservative reactionaries.

Same sexism, same rape apologia, same racism, same conspiracy nonsense. There's literally no difference.

Hell, considering that Larry "Literally has the blood of millions on his hands" Summers is Biden's economic advisor, it might actually cause less damage for Trump to win if that's the calibre of person Biden is bringing to the party.
 
Comrade Sophia

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Oh it gets worse.
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Biden campaign announces vice presidential selection committee | CNN Politics

Joe Biden's campaign announced Thursday the co-chairs of its vice presidential selection committee who will lead the charge to vet potential running mates.
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The presumptive Democratic nominee also said he might announce cabinet positions along with his vice-presidential pick before the election in November. He said he would consider a bipartisan cabinet, telling donors Wednesday that he would not place "any limitation on if someone were a Republican, if they're the best qualified person" to serve in a cabinet post.
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