Minneapolis Protests

Strigix

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Yeah, that seems like a good idea.


Here are a couple articles on the issue.
 

Strigix

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So, in the hopes of spurring some conversation- Obviously, the way that the police are structured, and the actions they perform, are untenable and unsustainable. We want change- we need change.

But what form does that change take?

Any thoughts?
 

MagnificentLilyWitch

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I'll just quote myself from SV if thats okay?

I think a very core issue is that modern police forces are all based on acting as instraments of state power who maintain the monopoly on violance first and foremost. ANything else that they do or say they do is incedental or in addition to that. Protecting the public from crime originally ment protecting the capitalists and nobles from the developing working class and urban unemployed before it was broadened over time, as a PR measure as much as anything.


The police as they exist need to be abolished and should be replaced with a bottom up rather then top down infestructure. We (not just the USA) need to make their first duty actually be protecting those who can't protect themselves rather then maintaining the monopoly on violance and capitalist private propety.
If a beat cop is facing down lethal force from criminals then the entire society already has systemic inequalities bad enough to lead to this kind of clash eventually anyway whether it is with the police, the army or the government.
tldr: while the police are an instrument of the elite they will never by able to be good public servants.
 

Strigix

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Personally, I think that the goal needs to be community policing- probably along the lines of Peelian principles, but perhaps with some alterations made.

I'm not sure that this can be done with the 'police force' as it exists, so we'd need to abolish the police either way. The question is whether we create new formal systems of policing afterwards, or if we reject formal systems- which will lead, naturally, to informal systems arising.
 

Comrade Sophia

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If you go out to protest please remember to get some kind of protection for you head, face, and eyes. A motorcycle helmet or thicker is ideal, but even a bicycle helmet could save your life. Head woulds are the biggest cause of death in any combat zone and the police are looking to make every zone they're in a combat zone, please be safe.
 

MagnificentLilyWitch

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Personally, I think that the goal needs to be community policing- probably along the lines of Peelian principles, but perhaps with some alterations made.

I'm not sure that this can be done with the 'police force' as it exists, so we'd need to abolish the police either way. The question is whether we create new formal systems of policing afterwards, or if we reject formal systems- which will lead, naturally, to informal systems arising.
I agree.

Though I don't think that will be possible without out right revolution.

The only workable comprimise that I could see happening is exporting the Camden model of "fire literaly the entire depatment and staff it with completely new people" but that only changes the surface level. Less, hopefully no, extrajudicial murders but still an oppresive cog of the capitalist state.
 
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Minneapolis Soviet, when? Seriously, excellent seeing so much community organising and so many people dedicated to the struggle in a variety of manners. This has been a watershed moment and has torn the blindfold off many about the possibilities that we can achieve. Still, the state is unashamedly willing to trade the bodies of working people for its sanctity and the moment has yet to come to any conclusion.
 
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