PapaLenin said:Listen, Marxism Leninism is the only way towards communism and the state is needed to educate the workers and change our culture and society to be more worker oriented. Ask me anything you want and I will answer. I want anarchists to come at me.
PapaLenin said:Listen, Marxism Leninism is the only way towards communism and the state is needed to educate the workers and change our culture and society to be more worker oriented. Ask me anything you want and I will answer. I want anarchists to come at me.
Jackie said:honestly the focus on 'workers' is a red herring. We need to instead be concerned with how people are taken care of in the inevitable post-labor society.
Capitalist ideology.CloakandDagger said:A Leninist state wouldn't have any particular difficulty with such a scenario, it would easily be able to assign work and goods as needed, and then some.
Darth?Herobrine said:Capitalist ideology.
CloakandDagger said:If by bureaucracy you mean whatever the goals of the government are, then yes, you'd have tons of resources devoted to industrialization, space programs, science, military, and similar as needed. It would be a lot better than a 'post-labor' society where people produce nothing and the nation gets outcompeted and destroyed by another country where people do work.
richardson said:You rather miss the point. We're at the point where human labor is rapidly becoming entirely unnecessary, Cloak. As in: Humans Need Not Apply. Post-labor, because human labor has been rendered inefficient and automation is doing everything. A point where other nations still using human capital/labor are crushed under-tread because they simply cannot compete with labor at the cost of the kilowatt hour.
broke its own economyCloakandDagger said:I look at the Soviet Union and I see a dirt poor nation that was uplifted into Superpower status.
If China and India and Africa had went Leninist the world would be far richer and better off than today.
Darth?Herobrine said:broke its own economy
CloakandDagger said:The USSR had a vastly higher GDP per capita than Africa, India, China, and the Russian Empire, I don't know what you're talking about.
The USSR was killed by political corruption, not by economic collapse.
Axiomatic said:Isn't it kinda weird to consider Marxism Leninism to be Stalinism when Lenin's last writing was pretty much HOLY SHIT YOU GUYS, WHATEVER YOU DO MAKE SURE YOU DON'T PUT STALIN IN CHARG-urk
Axiomatic said:Isn't it kinda weird to consider Marxism Leninism to be Stalinism when Lenin's last writing was pretty much HOLY SHIT YOU GUYS, WHATEVER YOU DO MAKE SURE YOU DON'T PUT STALIN IN CHARG-urk
CloakandDagger said:The USSR had a vastly higher GDP per capita than Africa, India, China, and the Russian Empire, I don't know what you're talking about.
The USSR was killed by political corruption, not by economic collapse.
Comrade?Sophia said:That's absolutely untrue, the economic stagnation of the USSR due to all resources being devoted to maximizing their own military-industrial system rather than letting the workers enjoy the fruits of their labor is a very well-studied subject.
Axiomatic said:I can't say the USSR was perfectly managed or anything like that but maybe there were legit reasons for the USSR to feel threatened by some sort of external enemy? Like some sort of massively rich and powerful country that loved using military force to install puppet dictators or something.
Nyvis said:Two words: atomic bombs.
The only reason the soviets needed a conventional military past WW2 was to be able to keep a lid on the Warsaw pact.
The "perfectly legit reason" is red painted imperialism, not self defense.
Though the USSR had a lot more issues than just its military budget of course.
Comrade Sophia said:I can actually see the argument that the USSR needed other states in the same sphere so as to not be totally isolated... but then said desire also resulted in them killing literally every other alternative parties in favor or their puppet Marxist-Leninist parties, which just made them chafe all the more under Soviet authority and probably could've been achieved otherwise if the Soviets didn't have a history of stabbing literally everyone else not under their control in the back at the first opportunity.