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Matrix Dragon

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And on the bell curve that is WFAs quality/characterisation, this week's new strip is very good. Damian and Jon hanging out at the daily planet.

Clark: I know it's not exciting, but we can't always change in a phone booth and catch falling airplanes.
Jon: ... What's a phone booth?
Damian: whatever it is, it sounds like an inappropriate place to change clothes.
Clark: God I'm old.
 
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Matrix Dragon

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Oh, nice. This week's WFA has a league of assassins lackey manage to get into Damien's head, he's worried about it. Bruce asks him about it, he says he's not comfortable talking about it with him. Bruce understands, but says Damien should talk with someone. Later on the kid calls Dick.

A Bruce that actually knows how to talk, but also how NOT to push? Main universe Batman should be taking notes.
 

Zam

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Sounds nice, though gods I have such complicated thoughts on Bruce and being shit VS not being shit.
 

Matrix Dragon

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Sounds nice, though gods I have such complicated thoughts on Bruce and being shit VS not being shit.

Bruce is an utter disaster, a mass of emotional scar tissue poorly healed over, twenty different traumas that were never properly addressed, all in a rich boy package.
 
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Zam

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Bruce is an utter disaster, a mass of emotional scar tissue poorly healed over, twenty different traumas that were never properly addressed, all in a rich boy package.
That is a fun summary of his character to say the least XD

In this context I am more thinking abothow like... Some really major lore stuff for various characters kind of relies on Bruce being the fucking worst for that character to not just be (Waves hand vaguely) paper thin, but at the same time it obviously damages his character and relaitonships with others and is liable to never be addressed so it ends up being realy hard to handle and balance.

Slitting Jason's throat is an example and his years long emotional abuse of Stephanie that ended up driving her to a breakdown are two key examples, though one could argue Dick's backstory these days relies on leaving Bruce in anger as that seems more popular than "Went to college, everyone was sad."
 

Matrix Dragon

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Dick: You're a hero Damian, not because you've been perfect all your life, but because you realized you were hurting others and chose to change.
 
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Zam

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I am so utterly weary of people going "That's not my Batman" every time Bruce acts like an asshole.

Sorry buckaroo, but there is a vast, vast, VAST! Quantity of comics, cartoons and movies where Batman is in fact a piece of shit.

I don't expect or demand people like them, but I am so sick of seeing their existence and by extension their impact on other characters hand-waved or dismissed away because people only want a Bruce whose pectorals sweat compassion and who cries tears of prison abolition. (Like he'd ever)

Especially when even many of the versions held up as iconic, or scenes seen as iconic, involve a Bruce who often is a huge asshole!
 

Matrix Dragon

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You know Zam, it just occurred to me. Given how much of Bruces mistreatment of Steph can be, to some extent, associated with Jason's death and the trauma of that... Imagine an AU where Jason survived that story arc, or it never happened, leading to Tim never becoming Robin, and Jason still wearing the pixie shorts when Spoiler enters the scene. I could see that version of the Dynamic Duo reacting VERY differently to her...
 
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Zam

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Oh I think that'd go down a treat, Bruce was actually a sort of functional parent and grown adult at that stage of his life, losing Jason very much sent him spiraling and led to a lot of his worst behaviors. Take that inciting incident away and Stephanie's arrival on the scene would likely go vastly better even in the most messy circumstances compared to canon.
 
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