Anarcho-Satanism

[Strigix]

[font=Georgia, serif]God wished that man, destitute of all understanding of himself, should remain an eternal beast, ever on all-fours before the eternal God, his creator and his master. But here steps in Satan, the eternal rebel, the first free thinker and the emancipator of worlds. He makes man ashamed of his bestial ignorance and obedience; he emancipates him, stamps upon his brow the seal of liberty and humanity, in urging him to disobey and eat of the fruit of knowledge.[/font]

 

[Hebichan]

I actually got into satanism before I considered myself an anarchist. There's certainly a lot of crossover, themes of rebellion, the idea that there is a large, omnipotent figure in our lives that enforces hierarchy in out lives and that it is wrong.

I think one thing to consider is if taking on the satanist label is useful, though, does if help to make an already tabboo label even further fringe?

 

[Strigix]

I'd say that in some ways it does make the ideology more fringe and, well, 'edgy'- but in some ways, that's the point.

By being more shocking, it draws more attention and interest by the otherwise unaffiliated- and the more people see it, the more people are able to decide whether they agree or disagree with it.

At least, that's my idea.

 

[veteranMortal]

I have a great deal of time for promethean deities, conceptually (IDK if that's the right term?). Certainly, more than I do for gods of the more authoritative variety that dominate most religions.

I don't really know enough about either satanism or anarchism, philosophically, to have much to add to this discussion I don't think.

I do think that satanism deals with the issue of evil and suffering better than most religions, though. So that's interesting.

 

[Hebichan]

I'd say that in some ways it does make the ideology more fringe and, well, 'edgy'- but in some ways, that's the point.

By being more shocking, it draws more attention and interest by the otherwise unaffiliated- and the more people see it, the more people are able to decide whether they agree or disagree with it.

At least, that's my idea.

There's an aspect of chasing people away who might ne interested otherwise as well. I guess visibility in general is good since we are so fringe but...

 

[Comrade Sophia]

Hello, resident Anarcho-Satanist here.

So my reason for taking the label is because I think tearing down unnecessary power structures reduces the utility of corruption in a society. However, those power structures do make organizing and motivating people for action easier, but that's because of their coercive and exploitative natures.

So in the absence of these power structures we need a way to foster unity and community. As a Syndicalist I think in the workplace this is the union. The commune is useful too, my own views on those being to limit them to about 150-200 people to help foster this association as beyond studies indicate for most people that it gets harder to care about people except abstractly. But religion also offers us a tool as well to foster the same: The pageantry and rituals of religion help reinforce the idea of unity and the doctrine itself, thus a secular Satanism offers us a way for people to consciously and voluntarily use this same tool to help foster community and reinforce the mindset of being mindful and skeptical of power.

 

[Baron Steakpuncher]

As a Catholic Socialist I think i'm meant to feel conflicted about this?

 

[Comrade Sophia]

As a Catholic Socialist I think i'm meant to feel conflicted about this?

I mean, maybe... I think theism is bad, but I still think Liberation Theology can be positive force as well. I just think the positive aspects can be divorced from the actual theism. If you want to be a Catholic Socialist that's fine by me as long as you're not imposing it on others and it's your choice to do so.

 

[Rabe]

adopting the framing and simply trying the opposite of the ones you are rebelling against is probably not the best power move, just saying

 

[Baron Steakpuncher]

As a Catholic Socialist I think i'm meant to feel conflicted about this?

I mean, maybe... I think theism is bad, but I still think Liberation Theology can be positive force as well. I just think the positive aspects can be divorced from the actual theism. If you want to be a Catholic Socialist that's fine by me as long as you're not imposing it on others and it's your choice to do so.

My catholiscm is actually what brought me into leftist thought funnily enough. I found it more compatible with my views than conservatism or neoliberalesque policies.

 

[Rabe]

As a Catholic Socialist I think i'm meant to feel conflicted about this?

I mean, maybe... I think theism is bad, but I still think Liberation Theology can be positive force as well. I just think the positive aspects can be divorced from the actual theism. If you want to be a Catholic Socialist that's fine by me as long as you're not imposing it on others and it's your choice to do so.

My catholiscm is actually what brought me into leftist thought funnily enough. I found it more compatible with my views than conservatism or neoliberalesque policies.

Some learn the text others learn the message, Personally I feel if rituals are needed the, lesson was never learned and all you are doing is trying to build a memory and "act" correctly in accord to the constructed "memory" which of course leads to groups of individuals having vulnerability to anyone one with a lick of charisma

 

[Baron Steakpuncher]

As a Catholic Socialist I think i'm meant to feel conflicted about this?

I mean, maybe... I think theism is bad, but I still think Liberation Theology can be positive force as well. I just think the positive aspects can be divorced from the actual theism. If you want to be a Catholic Socialist that's fine by me as long as you're not imposing it on others and it's your choice to do so.

My catholiscm is actually what brought me into leftist thought funnily enough. I found it more compatible with my views than conservatism or neoliberalesque policies.

Some learn the text others learn the message, Personally I feel if rituals are needed the, lesson was never learned and all you are doing is trying to build a memory and "act" correctly in accord to the constructed "memory" which of course leads to groups of individuals having vulnerability to anyone one with a lick of charisma

 

[Comrade Sophia]

Some learn the text others learn the message, Personally I feel if rituals are needed the, lesson was never learned and all you are doing is trying to build a memory and "act" correctly in accord to the constructed "memory" which of course leads to groups of individuals having vulnerability to anyone one with a lick of charisma

 

[Baron Steakpuncher]

To avoid going further off topic, if the Anarcho-Satanists are willing to help people they're okay by me.

 

[Rabe]

But repetition is the foundation of learning

Ritual for it's own sake is to stop thoughts that don't benefit who ever needs you to stop thinking

Personally I feel if rituals are needed the, lesson was never learned and all you are doing is trying to build a memory and "act" correctly in accord to the constructed "memory" which of course leads to groups of individuals having vulnerability to anyone one with a lick of charisma

ritual sets up system that generates control, which is power, power corrupts

 

[Comrade Sophia]

Ritual for it's own sake is to stop thoughts that don't benefit who ever needs you to stop thinking

Personally I feel if rituals are needed the, lesson was never learned and all you are doing is trying to build a memory and "act" correctly in accord to the constructed "memory" which of course leads to groups of individuals having vulnerability to anyone one with a lick of charisma

ritual sets up system that generates control, which is power, power corrupts

I agree, so what happens when the "memory" or "lesson" is "question all authority"?

 

[Rabe]

I agree, so what happens when the "memory" or "lesson" is "question all authority"?

bad actors make a show of how they don't want power, and those ritualistically "questioning authority" "listen" to the things the bad actors say.

also doesn't "questioning authority" presuppose there is someone in charge to blame for bad things, it's just another system of control, if a step once removed.

 

[Comrade Sophia]

"Question Authority" doesn't presuppose someone in charge to blame things for, it means question the need to have someone in charge at all. Both Anarchism and Stanism agree on uncoerced, voluntary organization.