RWBY & RT General Discussion Thread (V1)

Pugman

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THAT is a beatdown.

*nods* Kuuga is a legit powerhouse, and those images in the flames hinted at his darker and stronger powers.
But the Final Battle of Kuuga is even more.
No big music. No big light effects. No big declarations. Just 2 being literally being the tar out of each other


This was a kids show back in 2000 and was Kamen Rider's return to regular tv broadcasts in years, and it did NOT hold back.
The protag is Godai Yuusuke and he is literally an everyman who learned 2000 skills, all so he could bring smiles to people and cheer them on with a thumbs-up.
He ends up standing against a newly returned ancient race called the Grongi, and not only do they see humans as inferior they each take turns with their personal killing games.
Godai got involved when he put an ancient device on himself and it fused with him, giving him the powers of the ancient warrior Kuuga. And these powers are noted as constantly growing, and they show this over the course of the year long series with bigger and bigger explosions caused by his Rider Kick.
And the whole thing just keeps getting harder and harder for Godai. He wants to protect smiles....but all the deaths and all the fights chip away at him, and his ultimate form being noted as "The Ultimate Darkness" does not help.

Honestly I doubt you could get a Rider story like this in the modern time. Kuuga (and the following series Agito) played more to horror than future Riders.
 

Matrix Dragon

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So, after a bit of thought... RWBY aren't really at fault for things going wrong the past few episodes. They have actually attempted to deescalate, or at least play by the rules, even when they had every reason to start shit. Say, Yang openly and loudly calling Jinxy out on his thieving in front of the crowd, (where we should note it was actually LITTLE that escalated the situation.) Trying to be reasonable and play by the rules of the Ever After is actually making more trouble for them.
 

Zam

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Hmmm, there is definitely some truth to that, in some respects I wonder if just ignoring the book would be more helpful cos while this world runs on different rules, its also not 'just' a book if that makes sense, like yes these people have roles but they are also still people and not following a specific script so much as a broad societal role.
 

Matrix Dragon

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True, but think about the latest ep. Trying to deal fairly with the Prince ended up with them worse off than before, through no actual fault of their own. People are saying RWBYs experience as Huntresses is what's messing them up, when at this point it's being reasonable that's actually screwing them over. And I think Ruby's going to explode over it at some point.
 

Zam

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I guess we'll see, I can pretty easily see all sides on these topics making good arguments, so how it ends up is mostly down to execution.
 
It kinda bugs me whenever I see people talk about how Ruby was playing chess against the Red Prince and WBY were fighting chess pieces and I think I even saw one guy complain about how unoriginal it was to have them play chess.


Excuse me people but do you not know what chess is? Even ignoring the blatant cheating this game was explicitly not chess.
  1. There was no special pieces like Knights, Bishops, Rooks or Queens, instead it was just Pawns.
  2. Instead of each player moving one piece per turn each player could move as many of their pawns as they'd like each turn, or even move all of their pawns on a single turn.
  3. Like in chess the Pawns can only move one space but unlike chess the Pawns can seemingly move in any direction.
  4. Chess uses a square game board that's as long as it wide. This game used a hexagonal (or somethin) game board that even had towers in the corners that could seemingly be climbed during normal non-cheaty gameplay.
  5. In chess when a pawn reaches the opposite end of the board it can be upgraded to a queen. However as mentioned this game only had pawns, there's nothing to upgrade the Pawns to. Instead the player gets one point for each pawn they manage to get to the other side or the board.
  6. Which brings me to the most crucial difference. Chess revolves entirely around the capturing the enemy king. It doesn't matter if you have two pieces left while the opponent has ten, so long as you somehow managed to put the king in checkmate you win. This game meanwhile doesn't have king at all, no piece is more important than any other piece. Victory is determined by scoring points by moving to the other side of the board. In a normal game one would presumably have to balance fighting with advancing ones own pieces, or attempting to win by destroying all of the opponents pieces before they could score more points than you have pieces left.


Also in chess and most board games combat is an either or situation. Either your piece is moved in a way that lets it capture an enemy piece, or its not.

This game was more like an RTS or something, or that old Gameboy chess game where pieces have stats and use RNG. Even if you move to take a enemy piece you can still fail if that piece is stronger or luckier.


Though I'm leaving this last difference off the list because I'm unsure if this last part was actually part of the game or just pure cheating, but either way this game sure as shit isn't chess.
 
Excellent breakdown there, that was really useful and well said, completely agree with you!

Also is it wrong I kinda wanna give this game a try at some point?
Nah that's perfectly understandable. Though I'm unsure how it would actually work in real life with those hills on the gameboard. Could easily see pieces sliding out of place or falling over.
 

Zam

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Nah that's perfectly understandable. Though I'm unsure how it would actually work in real life with those hills on the gameboard. Could easily see pieces sliding out of place or falling over.
Ah cool, and good question, I think the best way might be to just slope the area leading up to those squares, maybe making them a little larger than others too so it looks semi natural?
 

Zam

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Re-watching episode 3 and its interesting that the Prince both seems to respect and be a little nervous around Curious but not like scared nervous, just regular nervous.

Like he instantly goes from shouting to freezing up at Curious's arrival but seems more stunned than "Oh my god" let alone offended even when Curious delivers that line about being unable to do his job.

As noted, the Red Prince listens when Curious talks, clearly paying close attention to everything they are doing, there's a minor physical reaction when Curious gets close but it also follows "They are fragile things without a head" which may have more weight given its a land of toys and a fragile toy is well, breakable.

The nervousness and offence at RWBY is def still there, but its much more the upset blubbering of a child after that, trying to justify why they were about to do the wrong thing when an adult is telling them they did/were doing wrong.

Again, Prince seems a touch uncomfortable with Curious doing that cat touch walk around thing, but given he also shouted at his guards to not touch him that may be less Curious and more being touched in general and regardless he does seem to be listening.

Then Curious does something and Red ditches the beheading, but shifts back into tantrum mode which actually briefly spooks Curious and is followed by just general crying. Red also seems surprised & maybe a little upset when Curious leaves them to it given they stopped long enough to express confusion when Curious walked by and then cried louder and it was only then that the guards went to him.

All in all, Curious definitely has a unique relationship with Red, time will tell if it applies to others, but it seems almost paternal or at least like a bit of a teacher or advisor; they definitely have influence but if the Red Princes changes his mind Curious can't seem to do much. Definitely someone Red genuinely respects & that everyone else does too given the unquestioning responses & letting Curious have command of the room.

I am deeply intrigued by what Curious's nature is, they aren't in charge but they have influence and a lot of knowledge.
 
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I remember seeing a theory earlier that maybe this volume will have a theme of messing up the Ever After like Alyx did but then unlike the original Fairy Tale they'll learn from their mistakes and go back to fix things before they leave. Which incidentally could play into a theme/message of the volume of them realizing that even if they failed and things in Atlas went wrong there's still a chance to make things better again.


But anyway suppose they do go back and fix things. How about that Red Prince huh? His PURPOSE is to win at his board game at any cost, but he seems to suck at playing so he just rigs the game instead. Sure would be convenient if the group had someone on the team who is really good at board games and could teach him to think strategically so that he's able to win games on his own merit in the future instead of relying on cheats. That seems like a good way to fix things in the Crimson Palace.


If only Team RWBY had a member who has been established to be fiendishly skilled at board games.

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If only....
 

Zam

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