RWBY & RT General Discussion Thread (V1)

And I stand by my comment. We've had teasers for teasers, announcements that announcements are coming. GET ON WITH IT.
Yeah I have to agree this time. Presumably they already have a date down since they're getting ready to make the announcement. I don't see why the announcement of just the release date itself needs ro be such a big deal. If they have some trailer they're planning to show then just announce when that trailer is going up while giving the release date.


Playing coy doesn't make people pay more attention when you're stretching things out for this long, it just makes people frustrated waiting for seemingly nothing while having an actual specific date to look forward to builds anticipation.

This coy mystery box stuff just makes me disengage from RWBY and focus on other things because I don't want to waste time waiting for something that I have no idea when or where will come, so I might as well do something else and wait until the announcement has actually been made.
 

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... With a name like that, I KNOW I don't want to read it. Oh the edge!
Even if you can get past the god awful forwards, the gratuitous amount of said bookisms and epithet abuse make it a slog to get through. Also, every single author’s note (and I do mean every single one) is just diatribe after diatribe of how much the author hates RWBY.
 

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Seriously, people with that degree of hatred for a thing need to get hobbies that don't make them so pissy.

Like, I recall words from a movie critics I watched years ago talking about deconstruction and he held the view in order to deconstruct something you actually need to like it first, otherwise its just an angry diatribe.

Also wait, they have the forward and authors notes, when do they even write story!?
 

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looks like we got another fandom artist collab today in honor of the Chinese New Yeah.
And it's a lot better than the Christmas one.


as for today's panel.....
well at least we still have a little over a week before the end of the month.
 

Lilith Fairen

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Yeah I have to agree this time. Presumably they already have a date down since they're getting ready to make the announcement. I don't see why the announcement of just the release date itself needs ro be such a big deal. If they have some trailer they're planning to show then just announce when that trailer is going up while giving the release date.


Playing coy doesn't make people pay more attention when you're stretching things out for this long, it just makes people frustrated waiting for seemingly nothing while having an actual specific date to look forward to builds anticipation.

This coy mystery box stuff just makes me disengage from RWBY and focus on other things because I don't want to waste time waiting for something that I have no idea when or where will come, so I might as well do something else and wait until the announcement has actually been made.
Eh, with all I've heard about this sort of thing, I'm sure the actual CRWBY folks would love to tell everyone the date now and show/talk about a lot more, but just can't until some arbitrary date for Corporate Nonsense Reasons.
 
as for today's panel.....
well at least we still have a little over a week before the end of the month.
Honestly this is starting to annoy me. Not because it's so late in January. I can handle that no problem. They want to wait until January 31st to make the announcement? That's fine by me.


But I wish they would just goddamn say so already. How hard is it to specify a date for your announcement? If they're not sure they could keep a promise to make the announcement f:ex this Monday then just pick Tuesday 31st as the date ahead of time to give themselves wiggle room.


Seriously I don't know if it's CRWBY or some freaking suits over PR or management or WB or whatever but how have they not realized that maintaining absolute secrecy about stuff like this just annoys people?
 

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Seriously I don't know if it's CRWBY or some freaking suits over PR or management or WB or whatever but how have they not realized that maintaining absolute secrecy about stuff like this just annoys people?

No one left in CRWBY really. A decision like this would be in the hands of management. The same people that thought Gen:Lock season 2 was a good idea because people LOVE contraversy.
 

Zam

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A rather irksome trend amongst the RWDE crowds I've had inflicted on my by braying stalkers is that "Ironwood isn't a fascist! You're devaluing the word!" so I looked into it and here's my results. I'll bold the parts Ironwood has while stuff that is bolded & italiszied is for traits he had but that were obscured by his desire to be a hero/good person but that ultamitely won out over whatever decency/standards he had:

Fascism
is a far-right, authoritarian, ultranationalist political ideology and movement,characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy, subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation and race, and strong regimentation of society and the economy.

Authoritarian
is a political system characterized by the rejection of political plurality, the use of strong central power to preserve the political status quo, and reductions in the separation of powers, and democratic voting & rule of law. Political scientists have created many typologies describing variations of authoritarian forms of government. Authoritarian regimes may be either autocratic or oligarchic and may be based upon the rule of a party or the military. States that have a blurred boundary between democracy and authoritarianism have some times been characterized as "hybrid democracies", "hybrid regimes" or "competitive authoritarian" states.

And just for kicks, Utilitarian
Is a family of normative ethical theories that prescribe actions that maximize happiness and well-being for all affected individuals. I think this is what Ironwood believes himself to be, hence constantly screwing over Mantle "For the world" but even if you agree with this ideology, Ironwood's preferential treatment for Atlas means that its little more than a justification rather than a true belief system.
 

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A lot of these people were really suckered in by their precious Irondaddy’s charms. And some of them think he’s hot(which is understandable, he is good looking.)
 
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A rather irksome trend amongst the RWDE crowds I've had inflicted on my by braying stalkers is that "Ironwood isn't a fascist! You're devaluing the word!" so I looked into it and here's my results. I'll bold the parts Ironwood has while stuff that is bolded & italiszied is for traits he had but that were obscured by his desire to be a hero/good person but that ultamitely won out over whatever decency/standards he had:

Fascism
is a far-right, authoritarian, ultranationalist political ideology and movement,characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy, subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation and race, and strong regimentation of society and the economy.

Authoritarian
is a political system characterized by the rejection of political plurality, the use of strong central power to preserve the political status quo, and reductions in the separation of powers, and democratic voting & rule of law. Political scientists have created many typologies describing variations of authoritarian forms of government. Authoritarian regimes may be either autocratic or oligarchic and may be based upon the rule of a party or the military. States that have a blurred boundary between democracy and authoritarianism have some times been characterized as "hybrid democracies", "hybrid regimes" or "competitive authoritarian" states.

And just for kicks, Utilitarian
Is a family of normative ethical theories that prescribe actions that maximize happiness and well-being for all affected individuals. I think this is what Ironwood believes himself to be, hence constantly screwing over Mantle "For the world" but even if you agree with this ideology, Ironwood's preferential treatment for Atlas means that its little more than a justification rather than a true belief system.

Anyone who has genuinely studied politics can tell you that you are many others on this topic are wrong, because you either misunderstand the terms of apply them incorrectly. Not to mention that these political terms are more complex than what a google search can give you, the Soviet Union for example would bold more of the qualities of fascism, yet it is not considered to be a fascist regime. The differences between German Fascism and Italian Fascism are also numerous. Yet both are fascism with different qualities.

What is usually not done is separation of Volume 7 and Volume 8 Ironwood. Because these are very different characters. One can easily acknowledge the authoritarianism of Ironwood in V8, because he is an Authoritarian (Not a fascist) then. I have made an analysis of the topic, going over the explicit qualities of fascism and Ironwood pre-8 covers maybe 2-3 of them.

Not to mention that many modern democracies also have these qualities of fascism, that is why having some qualities associated with fascism, does not make a country or a person fascist, these terms overlap from one ideology to the other.

In Volume 7 no democratic plurality is rejected, there is no central power (Unless you claim that the council is that, and it exists in every kingdom). In Volume 7 democratic voting is not reduced and is allowed to be free. There is no autocrat in V7, and the military is not in power. So in Volume 7 neither Atlas nor Ironwood are Fascist or Authoritarian. It is important to note that because people like you often claim that Ironwood has always been Fascist/Authoritarian, but that is in fact not the case.

Volume 8 Ironwood is supported by noone and is seen even by Ironwood fans as an Authoritarian that is very much might become a fascist in the future. But the separation between Volume 8 Ironwood and the rest of his performance needs to be made, because these are fundamentally different people.

The same happens in historical political discussions when for example discussing political figures like Lenin, who to this day are seen in a very good light by many socialists while Stalin is a more controversial and disliked figure. Yet one can discuss how Lenin before the revolution was very much different than the one who was after the Revolution and was more like Stalin in his actions.

To simplify all political discussion just because you dislike a character seems to be a very silly thing to do to me.
 

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For a dude who spends all of the time he doesn't spend on whining about women in a cartoon whining about "tankies", a certain someone is very incapable of acknowledging how Ironwood took advantage of his military authority to unilaterally impose his standards and carry out his plans without his fellow councilors' knowledge or consent.

And just as incapable of acknowledging how this pattern of seeing himself as the person who needs to be in charge in the face of any crisis built up to Ironwood's authoritarian tendencies going full-tilt once he faced the greatest crisis yet—because it was not just Atlas itself threatened, but his own self-image on the line.

But anyway, here comes Kerry with the biggest tease yet~
 

Matrix Dragon

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A few cases of 'generous' boobage, but the artists did a nice job overall on the Lunar New Year collab on twitter. It seems that there was much better communication this time about 'safe for work'. Well, except for lulu, whose art of Glynda had to be carefully positioned. Come on, I appreciate boobs as much as the next trans girl who dreams of owning a pair like that, but time and place :p

 
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