RWBY & RT General Discussion Thread (V1)

So, a few hours, tops.
It'll be quicker than watching that bomberguy video someone linked her to try to discourage her from watching the show, that's for sure. :/


they just have to get through the wonky early seasons, the growing pains of mistral, to get to the glory that is the recent times.
The great thing about her starting now is that so much of RWBY's development is gradual and doesn't really have an immediate payoff. But now that the show is so far along she can get right to so much of that juicy juicy payoff right away. :D
 
And way more fun. If nothing else, Red seems like the sort of person that would enjoy what early RWBY is, namely a few people making a side project at work for fun.
She did mention that it was too janky to get through in high school. So I'm not sure about that. But if she was just watching the first volume specifically and never got to the second or third she might change her mind on that front. And by 4 and 5 it really started turning around even as it developed some new flaws. But if she's invested enough to get that far then she'd probably see it through to 6-8 where it gets truly great.
 
Moly holly. I hadn't realized that Scott Zenteno had posted such a detailed look at the concept art for Atlas High Command. This gives us a very detailed look at the layout of the base.




Looks like Penny was trolling May with those directions though. Their first turn was clearly to the right. :p



Also Penny is hecking strong.
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See how big those blast doors are? With the Maiden powers and a friend in need Penny just casually blasted her way straight through them.
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Scott gives us a closer look at the Schnee mansion too.


Gods those massive gardens are even in a completely different location than the ones shown in the V5 trailer. That estate is sinfully large considering how few people live there.



And they shared some whale stuff on Twitter:
 
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So here's an interesting thing about the Gods. When I read Fairy Tales of Remnant I was caught completely off guard by the reveal that the God of Light supposedly was the one that provided the gift of Choice. Granted partially this was because I did not know at the time that the God of Light made all the Relics instead of each god making 2 Relics attuned to their own domains.

But a lot of it was simply that Choice simply seemed like a much better choice for the God of Darkness. Light was the one who was all about following the rules, order and just seemed more knowledgeable in general. Meanwhile Darkness was far more impulsive, free spirited and willing to not just do whatever the hell he wanted but also help other people do what they wanted if they asked nicely. I'm still convinced that if Salem had either gone to him first or even been honest about seeking him out because his brother was a dickbag then he would have stood by his decision to revive Ozma instead of turning on Salem.


It just seemed more fitting too. After all Choice in the real world is pretty intristicly tied with the Problem of Evil. Like, evil is bad but if evil was never an option then free will couldn't exist. So the addition of Darkness to humans so that there was something else they could choose besides Light seemed like a better fit for the source of Choice.


And finally there is the design of the Relics that the God of Light made:
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A bit odd for a God of Choice to put a bunch of slave imagery on their creations isn't it? Not to mention that while Jinn seems to have some degree of choice in how she interacts with people and their questions (or lack thereof) the narrative is strongly implying that she and the other Relics have no choice but to follow the rules laid out for them.

If Salem asks Jinn a question then Jinn seemingly HAS to answer her question even if she really doesn't want to.
If someone takes the Staff of Creation and asks it do do X thing then it has to do X thing even if doing so means dropping one city onto another city and killing millions of people.

For that matter the limitations of the Relics seem extremely artificial and more rule based (as in "the lawmakers have decided that you are not allowed to do these things") than based on any naturally arising limitations in how much power they have or whatever. The Staff only being able to perform one task at once even when that task is lifting several moutain ranges+a city+bedrock instead of just doing a bunch of less energy intensive tasks feels very much like something someone in charge decided on rather than a true practical limitation.




Now the thing is. The Fairy Tales of Remnant are interesting. But they are not supposed to be cold hard facts. In fact most of them are explicetly straight up not true, or at least get a ton of stuff wrong. Because they're in-universe legends composed by fallible people who don't have all the facts and so insert their own ideas, biases and best guesses.

So it's quite possible that the legends are wrong and Choice actually didn't come from Light. In which case the fact that Light made all the Relics gave me an idea for a unifying theme for the Relic spirits. All of the spirits could be mythological creatures that were at some point chained down and enslaved for refusing to submit to the gods.

Jinn already fits the bill on that one to a tee.

Choice and Creation I'm less sure how would be played up.


But Destruction? I recently remembered a perfect fit for that who would work even better than my previous guess of Lady of the Lake / Surtur.


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If something from Norse Mythology would be used I figured it must be Surtr, because he is a great big fire giant that helps destroy the world with his extremely famous sword of destruction. But then I remembered that Fenrir is actually also associated with swords and in a way much closer to how Jinni are assocaited with lamps.

A Jinn was trapped inside a lamp like a prison, Fenrir had a sword shoved into his mouth to prevent him from breaking free after being chained down. If there are any crowns or staffs that held important roles in imprisoning (physically or spiritually) mythological beings/figures then we might have a good guess of who the other two Relics are. Assuming this theory of mine isn't off base that is.


It could be that Light really is Choice. In which case nevermind I suppose?
Woo, this theory seems to be gaining some traction now that we've seen the Spirit of Creation and the inside of his Vault.


WARNING: I'm not going to bother using Spoiler tags because there are like, two people in this thread besides me and we all have FIRST.







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Which looks very similar to the Ancient Ruins/Lost Temple near Beacon.
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I've commented before that while the entrances to the Vaults match the Kingdom they're located in, the realms and Relics/Spirits inside them may have a pattern of being themed more after a different Kingdom instead. And that pattern has now held with Ambrosius and his realm, which clearly looks nothing like Solitas or Mantle/Atlas culture but would fit right in with Vale and in Europe (particularly the celtic parts of Europe where myths of fairies first originated).



So basically Jinn is a Djinn and has a Vacuo/middle east themed realm.
At first I was disappointed that Ambrosius also seemed to be a Djinn but while writing this post I realized he actually fits better as a Fairy or an Elf. The latter even fits well with his ability to stop time.

Also aside from the ruins, the fact that his realm is a endless field of flowers and meadows makes him feel especially "fairy" like. His vault basically leads to Avalon. There are even hills there. Fairies and elves typically live under the hills! And to complete the Celtic/Welsh inspirations there is the name itself:
Merlin (Welsh: Myrddin, Cornish: Marzhin, Breton: Merzhin) is a mythological figure prominently featured in the legend of King Arthur and best known as an enchanter or wizard. His usual depiction, based on an amalgamation of historical and legendary figures, was introduced by the 12th-century British author Geoffrey of Monmouth and the translator John of Cornwall. Geoffrey appears to have combined existing stories of Myrddin Wyllt, a North Brythonic prophet and madman with no connection to Arthur, with tales of the Romano-British war leader Ambrosius Aurelianus to form the composite figure called Merlinus Ambrosius (Welsh: Myrddin Emrys, Breton: Merzhin Ambroaz). Geoffrey's rendering of the character became immediately popular, especially in Wales.[2]
Though if he is basically Merlin then he's a bit less of a fairy/elf directly and more of a Changeling due to OG Merlin being a Cambion (half-human/half-demon that might have originally referred to a being similar to Changelings).



That leaves the possibility of the Sword and Crown being Atlas/Norse & Mistral/Asian inspired.

And the chain theme has continued so I'm hoping my idea for Fenrir (the wolf who was chained away until Ragnarok and held in place with a sword in his mouth) as the sword spirit and probably one of the Asian versions of The Honest Woodcutter as the spirit of Choice.



Also speaking of the Blue Fairy:
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Personal note: I find it funny that if Mr Blue here is the Blue Fairy then RT managed to make my theory that the Staff spirit would be male (as a counter to Jinn) while also making him the blue fairy (something that blindsided me a bit due to Fria) simply by doing what they've already done plenty of times before and just switching his gender from the original version. Gender bending ahoy, great way to mess with our expectations. :p
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Some of us noticed the Cordovin propaganda poster in the background in previous episodes. Here we see it again and it's inclusion in the show was indeed very deliberate.




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My reaction down below:
Oh another flashing lights warning, Maiden brawl, or the bomb, maybe both?

Oh hey they addressed the whole “Will people go in these” thing right away, nice :D

Also trippy entrance, Joanna handled it better ;)

Oooh and a great point from Nora about the negativity, they’ve really thought this out, I love it!

Hahahahaha, oh that was some needed lightness of tone.

FIONA!

MAY!

Oooh Emerald is good, I love her as part of the team, also oof, not a great first impression, dramatic delivery though Ren, love it.

Well a shit ton of people just fell.

Cinder, so smug!

Well Cinder’s regained her composure, Neo you are far too trusting, dang did not expect Emerald to not get to use the lamp but then again subverting the fairytale expectations makes sense, oof poor Jinn.

Oooh Cinder is not happy, muted but not happy with Emerald being there.

Oh my gosh Cinder just did diplomacy, with Watts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Well that’s a shit load of dead bodies.

Marrow, ma boi!

Also Harriet, Vine you bootlicking scrubs!

Jac sassing Ironwood is amusingly petty.

Oh gosh did Watts d that, it feels too dramatic for it not to have been staged.

Gaha cisd;faer fraef h;y shit Jac is dead!

Cinder is having a whale of a time (Ah we miss you Monstra)

Oh Neo you and your aesthetic.

Ruby!

YANG!!!

Blake goes from sobbing to murder and I am living but also dying, aaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!

Oh my gosh did Cinder use the wind to control her voice?

Kick ass sword Penny

Bad ass move Weiss!

Cinder pulling out some V1 classics here!

Blake is so torn!

Oh I misjudged you Vine, my bad, but to be fair you’ve given me very little reason to trust you.

Grieving and then sudden interruption, I wonder how many dickheads will try and say Robyn is a villain for not being fucking psychic?

Oooh Qrow vs Harriet!

Watts!?!?!

Ironwood you fucking dick, also your aim is shit.

Badass line Winter, we love you!

A one way tcket!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!?????????????????

Grimm bats, fuck, aaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!

What the heck, how, I, mean, ahw; hiisfasw faswrfdragfdesrgf

Amazing work CRWBY my bloodpressure is through the roof, I am screaming!
 

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So, scary thought. After the fight is done, after Cinder is dealt with for the time being and Ice Cream Bitch is potentially shortened by a head or so... Ruby, who has spent more than a volume being emotionally battered with blow after blow after blow, who has made an art form of repressing her grief, who was quick enough in the fight against the Ace-ops earlier this volume and less then a day ago in-universe to catch her teammates when they fell, is going to tell herself she could have saved Yang. The arguments that she was stunned and in the ground after what happened, or Neo attacked her again, or she was too focused on Cinder to react immediately? Won't matter to her. The only thing that will matter is that she failed. And her sister is dead because of it.
 
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RWBY V8E14: The Final Word
My Reaction below:
& its tiiiiiiiiiiiiiime!

Ominous Monstra, oh this ain’t good!

Call him out Winter, yes queen!

Ironwood shut the fuck up you did what was “best” for your version of Atlas and even then it was bad.

Penny I beg you please stop being so self sacrificing, and ooh Cinder what is up and hahaha, go Blake!

Eeeey nice try Qrow and clever move by Harriet I’ll give her that, and aah they admitted it!

Did he, please tell me Qrow just tried to use his Semblance to cause good luck and it worked, cos him realizing it was a matter of perspective would be great.

Watts you smug fuck!

Dang and here I thought Blake was gonna do shadow clone XD

Neo is a very rough opponent for Ruby cos she bases her style on counter attacks and Ruby’s weapon is very easy to make unwieldly, also oh gosh right through the portal and oh gosh Aura break, aaaaah!

OK Harriet’s agonized screaming hurt my soul.

Also what the fuck Vine way to do a redemption arc, now I feel bad! Also wow, that bomb was not nearly as impressive as expected, OR, Vine is supremely badass, what the fuck, woah.

Ruby full on luring Neo into an attack to surprise counter, clever too bad about Cinder and ooh betrayal, not surprised, but haha, Cinder that may not work out for you.

Dang I was hoping they’d choose to jump after Yang, oh well.

Ah Cinder’s class hatred again XD

Oh gosh they don’t know its one way, fuck!

Salem’s back!!!

Weiss using Blake’s weapons, aah feels.

oh gosh Winter’s gonna die.

Penny’s gonna die!

THEY FUCKING KILLED PENNY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Get fucked Ironwood!

Wow Cinder actually got her victory.

Also Salem sounds pissed.

Ugh, I wanted a team RWBY exclusive adventure, not exactly thrilled Jaune’s coming along even if I don’t dislike him anymore :/

Oooh Salem can enter a ghost mode.

Oh shit, she’s burning Watts alive, fuck that’s grim, like a legit horrifying way to go out.

Well Ironwood, you went down with your stupid fucking ship.

Oooh epic scene.

Atlas, more like Atlantis!

Seriously though did they seriously fucking kill Penny, what the actual fuck :(

Well those predicting Cinder victory were right but were wrong about Salem’s reaction.

Nice end song.

After credits scene shows a lovely beach and magical looking tree and Crescent Rose, implying everyone got scattered.

Seriously though Penny’s fucking dead, what!?
 
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